Originally posted by Dizzle
Damn, this grew while I was away...Firstly... DBZ is indeed inconsistant. How do you explain some energy blasts, which are logically millions of times stronger than blasts needed to destroy the Earth, that miss their targets and hit the Earth, yet do nothing? Goku can punch and hurt guys that take planet destroying attacks, yet his lifting power isn't all that impressive.
Superman has hit top speeds of: Mach 5, Mach 50, Mach 1000, 2000 mps, 180,000 mps, and many many times the speed of light. And yet his Doomsday brawl wasn't close to lightspeed. Most of his fights aren't. Superman knows the rudiments of fighting, but is far from a martial artist. His fighting style is punch, then punch again. All of Goku's powers come from his martial arts training. (aside from the transformations) Superman needs Wonderwoman and Martian Manhunter to move the moon, yet pushes Warworld and powers the Mageddon thing.
I still think that if you think about how powerful the blasts in DBZ should be, Goku's durability should be insane amounts above Superman's, but there's no real consistancy there.
Overall, a winner is really unpickable. Both fluctuate way the hell too much. But SS still beats the crap out of Superman. He has better feats in EVERYTHING but physical strength, and retains the best tactical advantage one could ask for against Superman.
Goku not close to being as durable as Supes. And he's not a better either, Supes is just as good. Supes will win because, he's much stronger, faster, durable, and has way better stamina. 🙂
Good thing he's supposedly gotten thousands of times more powerful since then... Logically, Goku should win. Going by feats, Supes has many more impressive ones. I prefer the logic, though that's just me. God dammit, DBZ is pretty stupid when thought about. The punch kick punch punch kick fighting loop doesn't help either.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Good thing he's supposedly gotten thousands of times more powerful since then... Logically, Goku should win. Going by feats, Supes has many more impressive ones. I prefer the logic, though that's just me. God dammit, DBZ is pretty stupid when thought about. The punch kick punch punch kick fighting loop doesn't help either.
Goku loses. Supes taken way more things than any of them has. 🙂
Originally posted by DizzleMissed the point bud.
Good thing he's supposedly gotten thousands of times more powerful since then...
Goku can now beat raditz because he's gotten better.
Superman can now beat doomsday because he's gotten better.
Originally posted by DizzleOh so logically Goku is real because he learned how to fly through martial arts?
Logically, Goku should win. Going by feats, Supes has many more impressive ones. I prefer the logic, though that's just me. God dammit, DBZ is pretty stupid when thought about. The punch kick punch punch kick fighting loop doesn't help either.
Even though Superman has more evidence in his favor?
Goku has no evidence in his favor of beating Superman.
So it is illogical to say that Goku is the more logical choice.
Logically, Since Superman has survived a double black hole and Goku has done nothing of the sort, Superman should win.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Missed the point bud.Goku can now beat raditz because he's gotten better.
Superman can now beat doomsday because he's gotten better.
Oh so logically Goku is real because he learned how to fly through martial arts?
Even though Superman has more evidence in his favor?
Goku has no evidence in his favor of beating Superman.
So it is illogical to say that Goku is the more logical choice.
Logically, Since Superman has survived a double black hole and Goku has done nothing of the sort, Superman should win.
Indeed! 😆 💃 😄
Originally posted by Creshosk
Missed the point bud.Goku can now beat raditz because he's gotten better.
Superman can now beat doomsday because he's gotten better.
Oh so logically Goku is real because he learned how to fly through martial arts?
Even though Superman has more evidence in his favor?
Goku has no evidence in his favor of beating Superman.
So it is illogical to say that Goku is the more logical choice.
Logically, Since Superman has survived a double black hole and Goku has done nothing of the sort, Superman should win.
You missed my point... Logically, Goku should be easily flicking planets out of orbit and making things explode by staring hard at them. He should be leagues more powerful than any of his feats suggest. But he hasn't done anything to prove it. His power level is in the millions, where a normal human is below 10, yet his strength is nothing compared to Superman.
And when did I ever say Goku was logical? I was dismissing the claim that Superman was a more skilled h2h combatant than Goku. His martial arts knowledge is so good that he has learned to harness his "inner power" to do what he does. It's the explanation behind his powers. Superman's power stems from the fact that his body absorbs radiation from a yellow sun. Neither are logical, really.
Originally posted by Dizzle
You missed my point... Logically, Goku should be easily flicking planets out of orbit and making things explode by staring hard at them. He should be leagues more powerful than any of his feats suggest. But he hasn't done anything to prove it. His power level is in the millions, where a normal human is below 10, yet his strength is nothing compared to Superman.And when did I ever say Goku was logical? I was dismissing the claim that Superman was a more skilled h2h combatant than Goku. His martial arts knowledge is so good that he has learned to harness his "inner power" to do what he does. It's the explanation behind his powers. Superman's power stems from the fact that his body absorbs radiation from a yellow sun. Neither are logical, really.
It doesn't take much to blow up a planet. Supes has proven to faster, more durable, stronger, and has better stamina, he has shown better feats. Supe wins. 🙂
Goku would win easily. Considering this here. In the Cell saga Cell said Goku wouldn't use his kamehameha because it would destroy the earth. Goku had already used most of his power so it wasn't nearly as strong as it could have been. The planet destroying kamehameha was at SS1. In the buu saga goku almost destroyed the world just by powering up to SS3. SS4 was thousands of times stronger than ss1. But if you don't believe that listen to this. At the start of GT normal Goku's power level was 110,000,000. That is 33 times more than goku's power level when he fought frieza. goku could kaioken x20 at that time. 33 time 20 is 660. That means Goku could us kaioken times 660. 110,000,000 times 660 is 72,600,000,000. That would make him stronger than SS4 Gogeta.
So that wraps up this topic. Also if they were fighting on Krypton Goku would win cuz Supes wouldn't have his powers. Goku's the man.
Originally posted by theobvious
Goku would win easily. Considering this here. In the Cell saga Cell said Goku wouldn't use his kamehameha because it would destroy the earth. Goku had already used most of his power so it wasn't nearly as strong as it could have been. The planet destroying kamehameha was at SS1. In the buu saga goku almost destroyed the world just by powering up to SS3. SS4 was thousands of times stronger than ss1. But if you don't believe that listen to this. At the start of GT normal Goku's power level was 110,000,000. That is 33 times more than goku's power level when he fought frieza. goku could kaioken x20 at that time. 33 time 20 is 660. That means Goku could us kaioken times 660. 110,000,000 times 660 is 72,600,000,000. That would make him stronger than SS4 Gogeta.
So that wraps up this topic. Also if they were fighting on Krypton Goku would win cuz Supes wouldn't have his powers. Goku's the man.
Supes has taken black holes, star destoying physical attacks, and energy blast that destroy worlds. Supes wins. SSJ4 Goku could barely push a building, Supes lift small moons and push planets. Supes is far stronger, faster, more durable, and have way better stamina. And numbers don't mean anything, I go by feats. Power levels stoped after the Freiza saga too. Once again Supe wins. 🙂
Originally posted by theobviousKilling a planet isn't as great of a feat as you'd think. . . give it a critical wound and it'll self destruct. regardless of how much actual damage you do to it.
Goku would win easily. Considering this here. In the Cell saga Cell said Goku wouldn't use his kamehameha because it would destroy the earth.
Originally posted by theobvious
Goku had already used most of his power so it wasn't nearly as strong as it could have been. The planet destroying kamehameha was at SS1. In the buu saga goku almost destroyed the world just by powering up to SS3. SS4 was thousands of times stronger than ss1. But if you don't believe that listen to this. At the start of GT normal Goku's power level was 110,000,000. That is 33 times more than goku's power level when he fought frieza. goku could kaioken x20 at that time. 33 time 20 is 660. That means Goku could us kaioken times 660. 110,000,000 times 660 is 72,600,000,000. That would make him stronger than SS4 Gogeta.
So that wraps up this topic.
In the buu saga they fire off the K-waves without destroying the earth. . . In gt he struggles with city's and buildings. . .
Superman has survived black holes. . . Goku has done nothing of the sort. . .
Originally posted by theobviousif Goku was stabbed through the heart with something strong enough to do so Superman would win. . .
Also if they were fighting on Krypton Goku would win cuz Supes wouldn't have his powers. Goku's the man.
Using ridiculous scenerios is just that, ridiculous.
Originally posted by theobvious
Goku would win easily. Considering this here. In the Cell saga Cell said Goku wouldn't use his kamehameha because it would destroy the earth. Goku had already used most of his power so it wasn't nearly as strong as it could have been. The planet destroying kamehameha was at SS1. In the buu saga goku almost destroyed the world just by powering up to SS3. SS4 was thousands of times stronger than ss1. But if you don't believe that listen to this. At the start of GT normal Goku's power level was 110,000,000. That is 33 times more than goku's power level when he fought frieza. goku could kaioken x20 at that time. 33 time 20 is 660. That means Goku could us kaioken times 660. 110,000,000 times 660 is 72,600,000,000. That would make him stronger than SS4 Gogeta.
So that wraps up this topic. Also if they were fighting on Krypton Goku would win cuz Supes wouldn't have his powers. Goku's the man.
See, he uses the same logic as me. He figures out how powerful Goku should be, not by feats. You two go solely by feats, and basically disregard the mathematical standpoint. Both are arguable, they just follow two different lines of thinking. Ten bucks says dvamp now says Supes wins cuz he's bla bla bla.
And planets die if enough damage is done to them. Frieza shot an energy ball almost to the core of the planet, but not quite. The planet began crumbling and eventually exploded. You don't think that if someone blew a hole 3/4 of the way to the Earth's core that it would explode? Detonating a big blast in the core would do it faster, but planets don't run on a hit point system. You need a damn big blast to blow it up.
Hey Cresh, do you think Superman could honestly blow up a planet in one shot? Please say yes, I need a good laugh...
Originally posted by dvampire
When Goku starts lifting small moons, push planets with light speed going against him, surviving black hole, worm hole, star busting attacks, and a sun eater at ground zero, than I'll start to think he can beat Supes. But Supes wins this. 👆
I have yet to be convinced he's read a word I've written for about 5 posts.
Originally posted by dvampire
Supes has taken black holes, star destoying physical attacks, and energy blast that destroy worlds. Supes wins. SSJ4 Goku could barely push a building, Supes lift small moons and push planets. Supes is far stronger, faster, more durable, and have way better stamina. And numbers don't mean anything, I go by feats. Power levels stoped after the Freiza saga too. Once again Supe wins. 🙂