Originally posted by HoshiAs real as learning to fly through studying martial arts?
DBAF was just fan made , it is not real, akira toritama didnt even do the dbgt sagas, but superman holding a black hole can be official , but it is totally fake with we are basing logically.I can prove it anytime you want
Yeah, that's logical, you an blow up planets by studying martial arts. . .
Originally posted by HoshiSuperman is alot stronger than you think.
i know that is not real, but in dragon ball universe it is, all i am saying is that dcs black hole is a lot weaker than a norma one, is that so difficult to understand?
There's nothing other than Superman's feats to indicate anything about their black holes.
Next you're going to tell me that their sun isn't as hot because Superman can go in and out of it without being hurt?
How about the DBZ verse everything is so much weaker that a real human can stomp Goku? Bad reasonging you say? That's your logic right there. "Oh because a cartoon character did somthing that mneans that in thet world its easier to do." 🙄
By fighting so hard to take the feat away you only prove more and mroe that Goku stands no chance against Superman. ✅
i can go by the logic if you want.Isnt true that superman had trouble to lift a city?I know superman di lift a city , but with difficult, lets say that a black hole is just 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 heavier than this city superman lifted with difficult.And superman doesnt get hurted by the sun because his powers source are the sun.And i really dont know what do you mean by saying : How about the DBZ verse everything is so much weaker that a real human can stomp Goku? Bad reasonging you say? That's your logic right there. "Oh because a cartoon character did somthing that mneans that in .
And for the beggining i didnt say goku wins since page 10 , i am not even saying that goku can or cant beat superman, i am just saying that there is no logic, even in the comic universe superman lifting a real black hole.I sai in page 10 or 11 that i wouldnt argue about who is winning and who is losing, but i am just posting by the logic
Originally posted by HoshiAnd you'd rather argue against superman pulling himself out of a black hole rather than learning to fly through martial arts?
i can go by the logic if you want.Isnt true that superman had trouble to lift a city?I know superman di lift a city , but with difficult, lets say that a black hole is just 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 heavier than this city superman lifted with difficult.And superman doesnt get hurted by the sun because his powers source are the sun.And i really dont know what do you mean by saying : How about the DBZ verse everything is so much weaker that a real human can stomp Goku? Bad reasonging you say? That's your logic right there. "Oh because a cartoon character did somthing that mneans that in .
And for the beggining i didnt say goku wins since page 10 , i am not even saying that goku can or cant beat superman, i am just saying that there is no logic, even in the comic universe superman lifting a real black hole.I sai in page 10 or 11 that i wouldnt argue about who is winning and who is losing, but i am just posting by the logic
yeah, you want to be objective and logical? You need to argue against both. So far you've just argued against superman's black hole bit, which to me its easier to imagine and alien strong enough to deal with black holes than it is for someone that can only fly, because they learned how to. . . not a natural ability like superman, but LEARNING HOW TO, as if it was natural for anyone. INCLUDING the regular humans of that world. . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
So what's he going t odo in this battle?You have a better chance of blowing up a planet than Superman? 😆
Now I'm seriously doubting your credability in this debate.>😬
No, you wound a planet and it blows up in the dbz verse. . . *yawns* And you claim that DBZ is more realistic. 🙄
Creshosk.... whats the matter with you??? goku puches supes IT to the back of him and punches him again..... You get the idea....
Did I say I had a better chance of blowing up the planet???? or did you say.... "you can injure a planet and it will die in the dbz verse."
But I know supes eyes can't have the power to blow up a planet, theres loads of times he shootes his eyes and misses. but the planet still stands....
Did you notice that when freezer fired that blast it moved slowly??? it was taking its time to reach the core and explode... so he had time to fight goku more. As with the sayian home world, it exploded instantly as the blast was quicker.....
Nothing is realistic in either world.... however goku doesn't constantly do feats that break all scientific rules.... Goku has some powers and has done some things that bend science... but Superman takes the mick at breaking science knowhow.....
If you ever have a problem doubting my creditablity in this debate.... Just re-read your own posts..... then think, Am I trying to wriggle my way out of a debate with a small flaw, Or do I pose an actual reason why my line of thinking is valid... alternativly you could just keep adding smilies at the end of your lines to validate what you think!
Goku beats Supes.... ✅ (well what do you know....Its soo easy to do!, wow I almost feel like my point is valid now....)
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissNot fast enough, remember Superman moves at light speeds.
Creshosk.... whats the matter with you??? goku puches supes IT to the back of him and punches him again..... You get the idea....
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Did I say I had a better chance of blowing up the planet???? or did you say.... "you can injure a planet and it will die in the dbz verse."
I doubt I could blow up a planet... But I doubt even more if superman could.
You doubt that you could blow up a planet, but its even more doubtful if Superman could? So you are more likely (hence less doubt) than Superman (hence more doubt) to blow up a planet?
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissLike when Buu or Goku fires off a kamehameha and the other slaps it away or dodges it and it just creates a large explosion?
But I know supes eyes can't have the power to blow up a planet, theres loads of times he shootes his eyes and misses. but the planet still stands....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissOh, so THAT'S why the planet was 'dying' Major whirlwinds and what have you. The energy was merely burrowing. . . and freiza always tells the truth which is why it we he who got onto the shiop and not Goku, who was lying there in pieces drifting in space. . . oh wait. . .
Did you notice that when freezer fired that blast it moved slowly??? it was taking its time to reach the core and explode... so he had time to fight goku more. As with the sayian home world, it exploded instantly as the blast was quicker.....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissEach time he flys, each time he shoots energy each time he... Need I go on?
Nothing is realistic in either world.... however goku doesn't constantly do feats that break all scientific rules....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissSuperman has quality, Goku has quantity. 🙂
Goku has some powers and has done some things that bend science... but Superman takes the mick at breaking science knowhow.....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissBecause I was the one who said that I had a better chance (hence less doubt) than Superman (hence more doubt) to blow up a planet.
If you ever have a problem doubting my creditablity in this debate.... Just re-read your own posts..... then think, Am I trying to wriggle my way out of a debate with a small flaw, Or do I pose an actual reason why my line of thinking is valid... alternativly you could just keep adding smilies at the end of your lines to validate what you think!
And I never said " 🙂 Therefore Superman wins." I love how much they annoy you though. 😉
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissSee? 😄 You just used the smilie as evidence, something that I have never done. 🙂
Goku beats Supes.... ✅ (well what do you know....Its soo easy to do!, wow I almost feel like my point is valid now....)
Superman wins. 🙂
looks like you cant understand me cresh ❌
i know a human cant fly by training the martial arts, i am not saying that superman didnt lift a black hole, he did it bt in his universe.I just want to say that dc black hole is a lot weaker than the real one, i have been trying to make you understand that for days.Just like in dbz universe a human can learn to fly by training , in dc universe the black holes can be a lot weaker than the real one.
Originally posted by HoshiProve that a DC black hole is weaker than a real one, and its not that Superman is stronger than you think he is.
looks like you cant understand me cresh ❌
i know a human cant fly by training the martial arts, i am not saying that superman didnt lift a black hole, he did it bt in his universe.I just want to say that dc black hole is a lot weaker than the real one, i have been trying to make you understand that for days.Just like in dbz universe a human can learn to fly by training , in dc universe the black holes can be a lot weaker than the real one.
Because I think you're just trying to depower DC Black holes.
Another thing I find funny is you're passing off this theoretical science as fact.
Truth is anything we "know" about black holes is entirely speculatory, especially since none of the thoery's have been tested. 😉
Educated guess is still just a guess. So for all we know Superman is well with the capabilities to do what he did. After all there was a time when "automobiles" were impossible. 😉
want me to prove?that was the question i was waiting for.
1-a true blavk hole should suck all kind of energy , that has already been proved by scientis from all over the world.If you didnt know about that you must be from a very poor country that doesnt have technology eough for that,
2-if what superm,an is holding is really a black hole , the size of it must be 1/1 m , a black hole of 1 m should be able to suck the earth and some stars.
if you want more proves you just have to ask
Originally posted by HoshiCan you link me to where this has been proven and is not just inductive reasoning? 🙂
want me to prove?that was the question i was waiting for.
1-a true blavk hole should suck all kind of energy , that has already been proved by scientis from all over the world.If you didnt know about that you must be from a very poor country that doesnt have technology eough for that,
Oh wait, you can't because black holes are just theory as there is no possible way to test it to actually prove it. 😛
Originally posted by Hoshi
2-if what superm,an is holding is really a black hole , the size of it must be 1/1 m , a black hole of 1 m should be able to suck the earth and some stars.
if you want more proves you just have to ask
I'm asking you to prove it. Go test out your theories. 🙂
Go throw superman into a black hole to prove he can't ACTUALLY pull himself out or hold a micro black hole. 🙂
Oh wait, two thing, you have no superman, and you also have no black hole, as neither do scientists. 😉
Originally posted by Creshosk
Not fast enough, remember Superman moves at light speeds.
You doubt that you could blow up a planet, but its even more doubtful if Superman could? So you are more likely (hence less doubt) than Superman (hence more doubt) to blow up a planet?Like when Buu or Goku fires off a kamehameha and the other slaps it away or dodges it and it just creates a large explosion?
Oh, so THAT'S why the planet was 'dying' Major whirlwinds and what have you. The energy was merely burrowing. . . and freiza always tells the truth which is why it we he who got onto the shiop and not Goku, who was lying there in pieces drifting in space. . . oh wait. . .
Each time he flys, each time he shoots energy each time he... Need I go on?
Superman has quality, Goku has quantity. 🙂
Because I was the one who said that I had a better chance (hence less doubt) than Superman (hence more doubt) to blow up a planet.
And I never said " 🙂 Therefore Superman wins." I love how much they annoy you though. 😉
See? 😄 You just used the smilie as evidence, something that I have never done. 🙂
Superman wins. 🙂
Superman and goku move at the same speed. But gokus I.T. gives him the edge.... Superman can't move at LS in the earths atmosphere...
HANG ON........I'm a real person... and I could "perhaps" oneday get my hands on enough nukes to blow up the planet.... most likely won't but could... Superman could never blow up the planet... me 1 supes 0 ✅
Goku never fires them into the planet... Big difference. he has control over his blasts... you often see them change the direction of them... when they get slaped away then explode on the surface... when there shot into the ground they tunnel in and explode....
"and freiza always tells the truth which is why it we he who got onto the shiop and not Goku, " I don't understand you here...
I said goku and supes bend the rules of physics... Theres no presendent that humans couldn't evolve a way to fly, theres no reason we couldn't oneday find a way to release energy from our eyes.... right now its not posible. But we have bent the rules of physics before....
However we will never be able to hold something with infinate mass... aparently something with Infinate mass has infinate gravity.... aparently it sucks in light.... aparently 2 of them would have twince that... Now I'm not an astro-comicbook-scientist, but superman can't fly twice lightspeed... its not in his bio as that...And I know he can't lift infinity.. THATS PIS.... The fact you use PIS in a thread is already breaking the rules....
the rest I'll put up to sarcasm... or stupidity... hang on... most of your post are like this.... Are your constantly sarcastic? or the other......
I'm more inclided to believe the other.... Tell me I'm wrong.❌
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissGoku moves at light speeds?
Superman and goku move at the same speed.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissProve it.
But gokus I.T. gives him the edge.... Superman can't move at LS in the earths atmosphere...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissYou have a better chance at getting your hands on Nukes than Superman does? Something makes me think that Superman could just take them by force. . .
HANG ON........I'm a real person... and I could "perhaps" oneday get my hands on enough nukes to blow up the planet.... most likely won't but could... Superman could never blow up the planet... me 1 supes 0 ✅
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissNope, but they do hit the planet.
Goku never fires them into the planet...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissUnless they are not his or smacked away.
Big difference. he has control over his blasts...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissWouldn't they have enough energy to do that anyway? Or are they only minor explosions if they don't hit directly?
you often see them change the direction of them... when they get slaped away then explode on the surface... when there shot into the ground they tunnel in and explode....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissObviously. . .
"and freiza always tells the truth which is why it we he who got onto the shiop and not Goku, " I don't understand you here...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissThere's no precident that they HAVE evolved to fly.
I said goku and supes bend the rules of physics... Theres no presendent that humans couldn't evolve a way to fly,
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissHaven't yet, have we?
theres no reason we couldn't oneday find a way to release energy from our eyes....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissNo, we've proven false theories invalid. 🙂
right now its not posible. But we have bent the rules of physics before....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissSupposedly infinite mass, because theoretically something with truly infinite mass WOULD destroy the universe.
However we will never be able to hold something with infinate mass...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissAnd would destroy the Universe, real or otherwise.
aparently something with Infinate mass has infinate gravity....
After all why does its gravitational pull end at a certain spot if it does have infinite mass?
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissSeeing as how he pulled out of a double black hole . . .you can't back up this statment. 😄
aparently it sucks in light.... aparently 2 of them would have twince that... Now I'm not an astro-comicbook-scientist, but superman can't fly twice lightspeed...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissBios can be wrong. 🙂
its not in his bio as that.../
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissTheoretically infinity, however its more in doubt that they really HAVE the infinite mass that is talked about. 🙂
And I know he can't lift infinity.. THATS PIS....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissActually it'd be SVFL, and due to frequency makes it valid. 🙂
The fact you use PIS in a thread is already breaking the rules....
It's not PIS 😉
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissI'm the one that's trying to apply real world physics to a medium that consistantly defies real world physics. I'm the one that's trying to bind one to "real world logic". I'm the one that's making a onesided argument and saying "You can't use that!"?
the rest I'll put up to sarcasm... or stupidity... hang on... most of your post are like this.... Are your constantly sarcastic? or the other......
Yeah, that'd be me trying to discard Superman's feats in order to help goku. . . Oh wait. . .
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissOh, and what's still worse is it's theoretical science too, that has obvious major flaws in it. 😆
I'm more inclided to believe the other.... Tell me I'm wrong.❌
prove supes can move at lightspeed instantly from the word go inside the earths atmosphere.... scans plz
The reason the feat is PIS, Black holes are a scientific discovery in this world.... there for they use our rules... our rules say that a black hole as a gravitational pull greater then lightspeed.... superman is not twice lightspeed... His top is just over lightspeed when hes really pushing it. Find evidence its over that, scans plz.
As black holes are our science we can apply our values to it. Just like air in comic books is based on our air. If we can't give plausible values to supermans physics, how on earth do you ever hope to compair him to anyone else??? or should we be doing it by looking at the coloured pictures and shouting... SUPES KICKED A GUY OVER THE MOON HERE!! CAN GOKU DO THAT!
your lame attempts at humour un-amuse me... If you have to attempt humour creshock at least try to be funny.... your post are soo dry its like listening to children do that.. "I know you are, but what am I"
Know matter how many Smilies you use, you will never be able to prove yourself valid with them....
Your posts look like your trying to convince yourself with yes men... Try replacing those smilies with :NO: I wonder if I could change your mind... Maybe I should try...
Supes Beats Batman...............❌
Supes Beats Goku..................❌
Supes beats a little old lady.....❌
Supes beats his way out of a soggy biscuit contest....🙄
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Superman and goku move at the same speed. But gokus I.T. gives him the edge.... Superman can't move at LS in the earths atmosphere...HANG ON........I'm a real person... and I could "perhaps" oneday get my hands on enough nukes to blow up the planet.... most likely won't but could... Superman could never blow up the planet... me 1 supes 0 ✅
Goku never fires them into the planet... Big difference. he has control over his blasts... you often see them change the direction of them... when they get slaped away then explode on the surface... when there shot into the ground they tunnel in and explode....
"and freiza always tells the truth which is why it we he who got onto the shiop and not Goku, " I don't understand you here...
I said goku and supes bend the rules of physics... Theres no presendent that humans couldn't evolve a way to fly, theres no reason we couldn't oneday find a way to release energy from our eyes.... right now its not posible. But we have bent the rules of physics before....
However we will never be able to hold something with infinate mass... aparently something with Infinate mass has infinate gravity.... aparently it sucks in light.... aparently 2 of them would have twince that... Now I'm not an astro-comicbook-scientist, but superman can't fly twice lightspeed... its not in his bio as that...And I know he can't lift infinity.. THATS PIS.... The fact you use PIS in a thread is already breaking the rules....
the rest I'll put up to sarcasm... or stupidity... hang on... most of your post are like this.... Are your constantly sarcastic? or the other......
I'm more inclided to believe the other.... Tell me I'm wrong.❌
IT is like a teleport, hes not light speed on his own, and each time he uses it, he loses energy. It whould be better to just use superspeed in the fight against Supeerman than that technique. And they do blow up planets by aiming towards the core of the planet.
Superman can also blow up planets with his Heat Vision.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/447/supermansheatvison7gq.jpg
Superman wins this easy. Goku physically isn't close to being in Supes league. 🙂
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
yes I could show goku even stronger when hes fused with vegeta...give me a break dante, that move required prep time in the sun.....
He was know where near the sun, he simply past by the sun to protect the cannon ball planet from destroy the ramming into the Sun. 🙂 😄 please show ssj4Gogeta or Vegeto who I also don't think could beat Superman. 🙂
