Originally posted by Hit_and_MissBurden of proof is actually on your shoulders, since you're claiming "Superman goes slower than light speed in earth's atmosphere."
prove supes can move at lightspeed instantly from the word go inside the earths atmosphere.... scans plz
But Here is superman moving fast enough to escape a double black hole, which you yourself said he needed to be going twice light speed to do, which means that in a MUCH lower gravity he'd be able to go really fast as well, (less resistance). 🙂
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
The reason the feat is PIS, Black holes are a scientific discovery in this world.... there for they use our rules... our rules say that a black hole as a gravitational pull greater then lightspeed.... superman is not twice lightspeed... His top is just over lightspeed when hes really pushing it. Find evidence its over that, scans plz.
See above. It's not PIS at all, he dealt with black holes it multiple times. 🙂 Go read up on what PIS is plz.
And Black holes are theoretical, and not actual law anyway. Stop trying to discard his feats to help Goku. It' makes him look like a sad little monkey.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissLike our anatomical rules, and our other sciences which say you can't learn to fly through martial arts? Oh, right we're just binding Superman to our laws of science but not Goku. That's the only way Goku has a chance. By handicapping Supes.
As black holes are our science we can apply our values to it.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissLike Goku following our rules and not flying through Martial arts? Oh, right, he's exempt, only way he stands a chance.
Just like air in comic books is based on our air. If we can't give plausible values to supermans physics, how on earth do you ever hope to compair him to anyone else???
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissOr how about "Supes has dealt with Black holes on multiple occasions, Goku can't do that, so lets discard it for Superman, that way Goku stands a chance."
or should we be doing it by looking at the coloured pictures and shouting... SUPES KICKED A GUY OVER THE MOON HERE!! CAN GOKU DO THAT!
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissIf I had been attempting humor this statement might be valid. But now you're just trying to brush off my points as non-serious.
your lame attempts at humour un-amuse me...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissWill do, since I haven't attempted humor, I haven't tried to be funny.
If you have to attempt humour creshock at least try to be funny....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissAnd now instead of countering my points you've instead started attacking me. What's the matter? Got no game left to bring?
your post are soo dry its like listening to children do that.. "I know you are, but what am I"
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissGood thing I'm not, too bad you tried though. ❌
Know matter how many Smilies you use, you will never be able to prove yourself valid with them....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissYour posts look like you're dodging the issue. Is this another attempt to give Goku a win? By attacking the opposing side ala ad hominem? This just shows you have nothing left and have indeed been beaten.
Your posts look like your trying to convince yourself with yes men...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissIf you had an actual point other than attacking me, or attacking what Superman has done you might be able to convince me. But as you've resorted to attacking me after trying to discard Superman's feats its quite doubtful you have anything left.
Try replacing those smilies with :NO: I wonder if I could change your mind... Maybe I should try...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissWith prep for batman batman wins, otherwise Superman wins.
Supes Beats Batman...............❌
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss✅
Supes Beats Goku..................❌
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissAnd with that you have no credibility left I'm afraid.
Supes beats a little old lady.....❌
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissNow you're just bitter that Superman wins, and there's nothing you can do about it. as you've just proven in this post.
Supes beats his way out of a soggy biscuit contest....🙄
No cresh...
I'm not trying to discard supermans feats so goku can win, I would try to denounce any goku feats that were PIS as well.....
However I have blinded my self from my original goal...I'm trying to understand how you think this is relevent.... what does this feat show??
superman can break the laws of physics?
heres a feat supes can do... travel to the after life... goku has visited his supreame beings and aparently is on a par with them... Supes is in no way on a par with any of his "comics"
Gokus powers come from the energy build up in him.... his world is similar to street fighter, which tells us that all living things have energy... and though much dicipline and trainning you can use this power. Think of the monks of tibet, Or Chow badall... With much trainning they can do things that normal humans can't.
If you actually looked at that picture of yours,
1)He has help doing it
2)184.202 is his speed... thats in miles per second
and guess what creshock....approximately 186,282.4 miles per second is the speed of light..
You prove 2 things here, he breaks the laws to do it... and he needs a long run up to reach that speed... hes not instant lightspeed even in lower gravites...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissGo read up on what PIS is.
No cresh...I'm not trying to discard supermans feats so goku can win, I would try to denounce any goku feats that were PIS as well.....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissIt's not a law, it's a theory. Superman can survive in a black hole, he can move around in a black hole, he can escape a black hole.
However I have blinded my self from my original goal...I'm trying to understand how you think this is relevent.... what does this feat show??
superman can break the laws of physics?
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissOkay, Goku can die and go to the other world . . of course in the process of dying he loses.
heres a feat supes can do... travel to the after life... goku has visited his supreame beings and aparently is on a par with them... Supes is in no way on a par with any of his "comics"
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissBut they still can't fly, nor shoot out tremendous amounts of energy.
Gokus powers come from the energy build up in him.... his world is similar to street fighter, which tells us that all living things have energy... and though much dicipline and trainning you can use this power. Think of the monks of tibet, Or Chow badall... With much trainning they can do things that normal humans can't.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissWriters get numbers wrong all the time, always have always will, doesn't change the feats they have them preforming. Just mens the writer's numbers are off.
If you actually looked at that picture of yours,
1)He has help doing it
2)184.202 is his speed... thats in miles per secondand guess what creshock....approximately 186,282.4 miles per second is the speed of light..
You prove 2 things here, he breaks the laws to do it... and he needs a long run up to reach that speed... hes not instant lightspeed even in lower gravites...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=363765&pagenumber=6#post4955990
And again, it's NOT a law, its a theory since its unproven.
Unless you'd like to show me where multiple different people tested the theory of a black hole on different occasions?
You yourself said he'd need to be going at greater than the speed of light to escape, right? So Superman can move at greater than the speed of light in a black hole. You don't think he could go faster and do it faster in less gravity? 🤨
I don't think I can bare to go on......
you obviously seem hell bent on ignoring all scientic values or plasuable reasoning....
goku can IT to the KI's... he doesn't have to die to get there anymore....
cresh get this though that skull of yours... I'M NOT TRYING TO PROVE THERE POWERS ARE WRONG.. I'm trying to show that supermans feats your using don't hold any relevence to this fight or his own world...
Just blindly believeing won't help you here my friend...
"You don't think he could go faster and do it faster in less gravity?"
no and heres why.. I'l use bizaro logic to explain...
man super travel less then lightspeed when not in black hole....when in stronger gravity he travel faster....so bizaro say he travel slower in place of less gravity.....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissBecause I'm not accepting a scientific theory as law?
I don't think I can bare to go on......you obviously seem hell bent on ignoring all scientic values or plasuable reasoning....
Oh, yes it's so unreasonable to want something to be proven before its called a law. . .
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissAnd this will help him how?
goku can IT to the KI's... he doesn't have to die to get there anymore....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissNo, you ARE trying to prove these powers are wrong
cresh get this though that skull of yours... I'M NOT TRYING TO PROVE THERE POWERS ARE WRONG.. I'm trying to show that supermans feats your using don't hold any relevence to this fight or his own world...
If you actually looked at that picture of yours,Remember this? You posted it, obviously trying to depower him.
1)He has help doing it
2)184.202 is his speed... thats in miles per secondand guess what creshock....approximately 186,282.4 miles per second is the speed of light..
You prove 2 things here, he breaks the laws to do it... and he needs a long run up to reach that speed... hes not instant lightspeed even in lower gravites...
"He breaks laws" "he needs a long run up" "he's not going lightspeed."
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissLike you Blackhole law? I'm accepting comic book feats involving a comic book character. Using comic book physics that are shown to have happened rather than scientific theory. . . that hasn't actully been proven. . .
Just blindly believeing won't help you here my friend...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissHow about if you try using real logic, instead of your bizzarro "goku must win at all costs" logic?
"You don't think he could go faster and do it faster in less gravity?"no and heres why.. I'l use bizaro logic to explain...
he escaped a blackhole if you need to be going at GREATER than the speed of light to do this, then he was going at speeds GREATER than the speed of light. Even not being pulled in is a tremendous feat, Moving a little is more impressive, Moving at the speed of light in a black hole is damned impressive.
Now where do you think he has greater resistance? In Earth's atmosphere or in a blackhole? The black hole obviously, so if he can accelerate to lightspeed in a blackhole, certainly he can do greater, in less time, since he has less resistence.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissYou're right that is bizarro. . . and the complete reverse of actual logic. so that's not valid logic.
man super travel less then lightspeed when not in black hole....
when in stronger gravity he travel faster....so bizaro say he travel slower in place of less gravity.....
Superman wins.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Burden of proof is actually on your shoulders, since you're claiming "Superman goes slower than light speed in earth's atmosphere."light travel round earth 3 times in second. superman not able to fight h2h cuz he travel to fast. he slow down to fight goku. DUHHHHHHH
But Here is superman moving fast enough to escape a double black hole, which you yourself said he needed to be going twice light speed to do, which means that in a MUCH lower gravity he'd be able to go really fast as well, (less resistance). 🙂See above. It's not PIS at all, he dealt with black holes it multiple times. 🙂 Go read up on what PIS is plz.
And Black holes are theoretical, and not actual law anyway. Stop trying to discard his feats to help Goku. It' makes him look like a sad little monkey.
black hole can be monitored. example binary star orbit each other. one change to black hole and won't absorb twin till it get to close. DUHHHH
Like our anatomical rules, and our other sciences which say you can't learn to fly through martial arts? Oh, right we're just binding Superman to our laws of science but not Goku. That's the only way Goku has a chance. By handicapping Supes.
OUR anatomical rules. Goku is not one of US. He's an ALIEN. Bizzarro speak again. *clears throat* goku not human. he alien. not bound by anatomical laws. creshosk not using brain.
Like Goku following our rules and not flying through Martial arts? Oh, right, he's exempt, only way he stands a chance.
quiet please.
Or how about "Supes has dealt with Black holes on multiple occasions, Goku can't do that, so lets discard it for Superman, that way Goku stands a chance."
creshosk said superman travel at light speed. double black hole mean superman need more than twice light speed. so creshosk contradicting himself.
And now instead of countering my points you've instead started attacking me. What's the matter? Got no game left to bring?
Good thing I'm not, too bad you tried though. ❌
Originally posted by theobviousYou mean like in Legend of Satan mode, Hercule really DID save the world.
VG Story mode not the duel modes.
Originally posted by theobviousexcept in the legend of satan mode, where Hercule saves the day. 😉
in the story goku beat everyone just like in series
Originally posted by theobviousNot gonna happen. It's fanfic dude, not canon
and also to the dbaf thing.
A: That people in faraway America are fans of Dragon Ball truly makes me happy. The method of producing comics in Japan is very hectic, but it's also rewarding because it's possibly to do both the story and art all by yourself. In this way, it's possibly to bring out one's individuality. If this idea appeals to you, I call on you to try drawing your own manga. Because the people who can draw manga that Americans will truly love are Americans like you. That was an interview with Akira Toriyama himself. He encourages people to draw their own manga so AF and those others might come to be.
Originally posted by theobviousNot proven. Just speculation. 🙂
black hole can be monitored. example binary star orbit each other. one change to black hole and won't absorb twin till it get to close. DUHHHH
Originally posted by theobviousOh so THAT explains why Goku was flying around blowing up planets in DB and not getting his ass kicked by roshi, and he could fly even before tien taught him how to. . . it wasn't learned, he was doing it all along. . . Or you know not, since he didn't fly until he learned how to. . . I'm using my brian, somebody else is forgetting minor details however.
OUR anatomical rules. Goku is not one of US. He's an ALIEN. Bizzarro speak again. *clears throat* goku not human. he alien. not bound by anatomical laws. creshosk not using brain.
Originally posted by theobviousTired of being proven wrong?
quiet please.
Originally posted by theobviousI didn't contradict myself, but thanks for helping to prove Superman's speed is (Don't forget these words this time, I know reading must not be your strong suit since you seem to be refering to me in the third person when talking to me. . .) AT LEAST the speed of light in a blackhole.
creshosk said superman travel at light speed. double black hole mean superman need more than twice light speed. so creshosk contradicting himself.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean like in Legend of Satan mode, Hercule really DID save the world.except in the legend of satan mode, where Hercule saves the day. 😉
Not gonna happen. It's fanfic dude, not canon
Can't you tell a what if storyline from a real one. Creshosk not using brain after all. I said it might happen and i know it wouldn't be canon UNLESS Toriyama himself worked on it. I don't consider beginning gt canon cuz toriyama didn't work on that part. he just supervised but he workd on it in at the end. SO if Toriyama works on the Fan-Created work then it will mean he accepts it into his world which makes it canon.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Not proven. Just speculation. 🙂Oh so THAT explains why Goku was flying around blowing up planets in DB and not getting his ass kicked by roshi, and he could fly even before tien taught him how to. . . it wasn't learned, he was doing it all along. . . Or you know not, since he didn't fly until he learned how to. . . I'm using my brian, somebody else is forgetting minor details however.
Tired of being proven wrong?
I didn't contradict myself, but thanks for helping to prove Superman's speed is (Don't forget these words this time, I know reading must not be your strong suit since you seem to be refering to me in the third person when talking to me. . .) AT LEAST the speed of light in a blackhole.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I didn't contradict myself, but thanks for helping to prove Superman's speed is (Don't forget these words this time, I know reading must not be your strong suit since you seem to be refering to me in the third person when talking to me. . .) AT LEAST the speed of light in a blackhole.
Originally posted by theobviousYeah, what if is not canon to the manga nor the anime. Can't you tell that the VG characters are not like the Manga or anime characters?
Can't you tell a what if storyline from a real one.
Originally posted by theobviousLike you are "VG CHARACTERSW ARE LIKE THE COMIC AND ANIME PEOPLE! OH SHOOT I WAS PROVED WRONG< SO NOW I SAY GUY WHOP OWNED ME NOT USING BRAIN!"
Creshosk not using brain after all.
Originally posted by theobviousSo it's not useable in this debate anyway? That's what I thought.
I said it might happen and i know it wouldn't be canon UNLESS Toriyama himself worked on it.
Originally posted by theobviousOkay.
I don't consider beginning gt canon cuz toriyama didn't work on that part.
Originally posted by theobviousAnd since he said "No more Dragonball" he's most likely NEVER going to work on it so it is most likely NEVER going to be canon.
he just supervised but he workd on it in at the end. SO if Toriyama works on the Fan-Created work then it will mean he accepts it into his world which makes it canon.
Originally posted by theobviousNow you're going to point out my hyperbole to me? 😆
I'd say you were forgetting major details.
1. Goku could not blow up the planet.
You're right, he couldn't. don't know what sarcasm is do you, little one?
Originally posted by theobviousYup. Sarcasm must have flown right over your head, much like Goku on the nimbus cloud...
2.The only way he flew before he met Tien was on the Nimbus Cloud.
Originally posted by theobviousI'm being lectured on grammar on a person who doesn't grasp basic English concepts?
3.And if you were using your brain you wouldn't have spelled it brian.
"Creshosk not using brain." Makes you sound like a caveman.
PSST. . . look up the word "typo".
Originally posted by theobviousNo, you just talked about it. Show me the proof. Give me a link to a site where the people ACTUALLY went up to a black hole and tested out their hypothesis. Oh wait, you can't, cause you know it NEVER BEEN TESTED.
4.It has been proven that's why I typed it.
Go look up a process where something becomes a scientific law. until then stop spouting these hypothesi at me.
Originally posted by theobviousIf you're not going to read what I said why bother posting in a debate?
You contradicted yourself and you know it.
Originally posted by theobviousAT LEAST. . do you know what "AT LEAST" means?
You said Superman top speed was light speed
Originally posted by theobvious2x lightspeed is at least lightspeed, isn't it? Because it is faster than light speed.
but yet you say he can escape a double black hole which would require more than twice light speed.
Originally posted by theobviousLike the excuse that I contradicted myself to cover for your reading incompetnace. go learn what "AT LEAST" means and then get back to me.
You're just making excuses and we all know that excuses are tools of incompetence.
Originally posted by theobviousThank you for confessing that, now stop projecting your own incompetency onto me as a means to attack what you don't like about yourself.
They are used so the person that made them won't have to accept responsibility for their actions or words. 😱
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissI should reward him for his intentional or unintentional ignorance, and refusal to comprehensivelty read what's being posted?
Give that man a cookie....But wait I for see an answer from cresh......
"...Superman escaped the blackhole... so he must be able to do twice lightspeed..."
Yes, yes, good job on not knowing what at least means, and for not knowing what sarcasm is, and for lecturing someone on a typo when you yourself for flawed sentences that make you sound like a caveman. Bravo. Bravo, Encore encore. More hypocrisy! More blantent lack of knoweldge of English principles!
🙄
hang on.... cresh are you actually saying that black holes are still just a theory???
when actual proof has been found?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_holes#Evidence
If you still don't believe, just think. No ones proved the sun exists.. I mean we have looked at it in a telescope but no ones been to it... same with black holes, observed though telescope and all the conditions in the galacy exist to point to there existance.
Don't tell me cresh... I'm a blasphemer....
Bravo. Bravo, Encore encore. More hypocrisy! More blantent lack of knoweldge of scientific principles!
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
hang on.... cresh are you actually saying that black holes are still just a theory???when actual proof has been found?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_holes#EvidenceIf you still don't believe, just think. No ones proved the sun exists.. I mean we have looked at it in a telescope but no ones been to it... same with black holes, observed though telescope and all the conditions in the galacy exist to point to there existance.
Don't tell me cresh... I'm a blasphemer....
Bravo. Bravo, Encore encore. More hypocrisy! More blantent lack of knoweldge of scientific principles!
General relativity (as well as most other metric theories of gravity) not only says that black holes can exist, but in fact predicts that they will be formed in nature whenever a sufficient amount of mass gets packed in a given region of space, through a process called gravitational collapse. For example, if you compressed the Sun to a radius of three kilometers, about four millionths of its present size, it would become a black hole.[/b]
Theory, if , can. . . nope still just a theory, not actual evidence. 🙂
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsolved_problems_in_physics
Black holes: Do they really exist? If not, then what are the ultracompact supermassive objects that have been observed and what physics governs them?
