Originally posted by EvilCap America
Goku Smashes Supermans head into Captain Marvels and KOs him just like Despero did in JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice within the last 2 yearsFTL Planet juggling Superman hasent existed since Pre-crisis days
FTL superman certainly has. . when did you stop reading Superman comics?
That black hole bit, that was post crisis supes.
As is :
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9926/supermanfast1xt2iv.jpg
and yet ive seen him struggle over 2000 MPH while the Flash showed off how he could appear to be in two places at once.Its a product of of the bad inconsistant writing Superman has ALWAYS been plauged by
Its why ive seen Sups controlled by a Vampire a short time ago despite it already being established that the solar radiation in his body would kill it [great JLA run huh?] and how he gets KOed by a headbutt with Captain Marvel which HARDLY broke Earth in half
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaSo now Superman is the most inconsistant character?
and yet ive seen him struggle over 2000 MPH while the Flash showed off how he could appear to be in two places at once.Its a product of of the bad inconsistant writing Superman has ALWAYS been plauged byIts why ive seen Sups controlled by a Vampire a short time ago despite it already being established that the solar radiation in his body would kill it [great JLA run huh?] and how he gets KOed by a headbutt with Captain Marvel which HARDLY broke Earth in half
I thought that was Wolverine?
Every character has inconsistant times. . . and we're supposed to use best/average showings. 😉
Originally posted by Creshosk
So now Superman is the most inconsistant character?I thought that was Wolverine?
Every character has inconsistant times. . . and we're supposed to use best/average showings. 😉
Well Sups most average showings are being slightly above the other class 100 types out there.Not much outside of Flash comes anywhere near light speed in DC nowadays and anything planet destroying is pretty rare as well[Sups could but with alot of effort]
Oh and was that a quip about the old bad wolverine arguments from before?I certainly hope not that would be pretty pointless
Originally posted by Creshosk
So he has precog? He can dodge people moving at the speed of light?I doubt it.
What? Dodge?
Double black hole is canon as his creator company had him do it.
GT is not since Akira Toriyama didn't work on it.
You still haven't proven that Goku can put out damage stronger than double black holes. 🙂
Doesn't matter. his speed strength durability etc. etc. is lightyears beyond Goku. So while Goku will have technical finese the speed and strength gaps will make it like Goku is moving in slow motion, if not standing still.
Below Superman's level.
Nope.
Nope.
Funny, didn't even look like Earth was destroyed when Maijin Vegeta fought Goku. . . OR even when SS3 Goku fought Buu. . .
Sure he could. You still haven't proven Goku's speed is high enough.
Big whoop. He IT's and then Kamehamehas. . an attack which has not destroyed a planet, and Superman has taken Planet busting shots.
Or Superman. 🙂
Nah, he's taken planet busting shots. something that the WK is not. . .
Superman is stronger, faster and far more durable. Superman beats Goku with relative ease.
And you once again prove how stupid your posts are. 🙂
Your argumens get more and more rediculous, and fantasy like. So lets elaborate then? More than willing to.
You ask that if goku can dodge people moving at the speed of light. In gokus extremely weak state as compaired to his final godlike -- GOD level, he was allready fighting at speeds invisible to the human eye. While im sure you dont find this impressive, This was goku, pre supersaying, funk, pre Kayoken. I shouldent have to explain the exponential leaps and bounds gokus speed increased as he grew more powerful, safely putting him at light speed calibur. The comic strip you provided of superman is good, becuase it illustrates what goku was doing even before becoming a supersayin. But because it states the obvious about his abilities, im sure you dont want to believe it. Thats fine.
Goku having pre cog? You can call it whatever you want, but because of Gokus incredible sayin ability, he is able to read movements at incalculable speeds. The funny thing about that is, light speed is a calculable speed. Making supermans movements easily telegraphed. Did i mention that superman is an inferior fighter? With this in mind, the speed that goku can easily move at is more than enough to produce double black hole, wouund creating dents on superman. Superman is unquestionably lesser in this aspect.
And to answer your question, yes, goku would dodge.
Now this is funny. GT Is not because akira toriyama didnt work on it? I actually laughed at this. This comment speaks for itself. IN this case, i guess spiderman isint either, becuase stan lee sure doesnt write spidey comics anymore. And dont include harry potter movies in the storyline either. Stories continue without the original author, come on. Why would you even bring that up? becuase it assuredly confirms supermans destruction? Please, please, PLEASE, for your sake, think about what your saying.
Speed and technical gaps between them? At the minimum, MINIMUM, goku is as fast as superman. At the Minimum. though. Giving superman a little undeserved credit. But for your sake i will. Goku has a good heart, and has not used a warp kamehameha on a planet, but it would definatley destroy a planet, sixty times sixty. Im sure superman has taken planet busting shots is impressive, the only problem is, superman has never felt such energy projection as those produced in the DBZ universe. Cell would destroy superman. Majin buu would eat superman. Super 17 would Tear superman apart. The list goes on. And must i remind you, if it absolutely came down to it, and it absolutely would not, goku would simply wish superman out of existance. Your mindless arguments are repetative. And i dont think i could ever convince you otherwise. So please, continue to make confusing rebuttles and baseless statements, it only makes your posts more arousing.
Originally posted by EvilCap America
and yet ive seen him struggle over 2000 MPH while the Flash showed off how he could appear to be in two places at once.Its a product of of the bad inconsistant writing Superman has ALWAYS been plauged byIts why ive seen Sups controlled by a Vampire a short time ago despite it already being established that the solar radiation in his body would kill it [great JLA run huh?] and how he gets KOed by a headbutt with Captain Marvel which HARDLY broke Earth in half
Captian Marvel is far stronger than Goku.
http://myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/VideoClips.htm
Watch the scan with ssj2 Goku having trouble pushing a moutain apart. Superman wins. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
Captian Marvel is far stronger than Goku.http://myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/VideoClips.htm
Watch the scan with ssj2 Goku having trouble pushing a moutain apart. Superman wins. 🙂
Anime filler SSJ2 Goku never fights Kid Buu in Akira Toriyamas DBZ series you PHAIL
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaYou complain about characters you're arguing against being inconsistant too much. 🙂
Well Sups most average showings are being slightly above the other class 100 types out there.Not much outside of Flash comes anywhere near light speed in DC nowadays and anything planet destroying is pretty rare as well[Sups could but with alot of effort]Oh and was that a quip about the old bad wolverine arguments from before?I certainly hope not that would be pretty pointless
You seem to be saying "He's inconsistant, so we use him as what I precieve him to be."
Which is an invalid argument. 😉
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Hey, it's how you started off. 😉
Your argumens get more and more rediculous, and fantasy like. So lets elaborate then? More than willing to.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Not canon you PHAIL! 😉
You ask that if goku can dodge people moving at the speed of light. In gokus extremely weak state as compaired to his final godlike -- GOD level,[/n]
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555*yawns* that's not speed of sound quick. 30 mph could do the trick. Hell Wolverine goes that fast, the whole faster than they can see/react to. And he's not fighting at light speeds.
[B]he was allready fighting at speeds invisible to the human eye.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Or you know, mach speeds. . . *yawns*
While im sure you dont find this impressive, This was goku, pre supersaying, funk, pre Kayoken. I shouldent have to explain the exponential leaps and bounds gokus speed increased as he grew more powerful, safely putting him at light speed calibur.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555He wasn't vibtrating through punches like that. Stop making shit up. 🙄
The comic strip you provided of superman is good, becuase it illustrates what goku was doing even before becoming a supersayin. But because it states the obvious about his abilities, im sure you dont want to believe it. Thats fine. [b/]
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Not fast enough I'm affraid. Speed of thought isn't fast enough. And it's not precog either.
[B]Goku having pre cog? You can call it whatever you want, but because of Gokus incredible sayin ability, he is able to read movements at incalculable speeds.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Oh yes because it's so easy to know how fast something is moving and to beable to catch it. . . so why don't you ever catch things that move at the speed of light? Oh, that's right, like goku, you aren't fast enough.
The funny thing about that is, light speed is a calculable speed. Making supermans movements easily telegraphed.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Did I mention how the physical gap makes it not matter?
Did i mention that superman is an inferior fighter?
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555:laughs:
With this in mind, the speed that goku can easily move at is more than enough to produce double black hole,
"Superman doesn't know how to fight, so Goku punches with the strength of a black hole."
Nonbsequiter arguments are invalid.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Not strong enough.
wouund creating dents on superman.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Nope, Goku doesn't hit with as the others were saying "infinite mass" that Superman has survived, quite easily on a numerous number of times.
Superman is unquestionably lesser in this aspect.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Things aren't the same in Japan as they are here I'm affraid. In Japan it's only canon if its the original creator. America is different since you have to get permission to publish something, unlike doujin
And to answer your question, yes, [B]goku would dodge. He's too slow I'm affraid.[QUOTE=4975207]Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Now this is funny. GT Is not because akira toriyama didnt work on it? I actually laughed at this. This comment speaks for itself. IN this case, i guess spiderman isint either, becuase stan lee sure doesnt write spidey comics anymore.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Not in Japan.
And dont include harry potter movies in the storyline either. Stories continue without the original author, come on.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Because it's true. Why attack it? because it assures GOKU's destruction?
Why would you even bring that up? becuase it assuredly confirms supermans destruction?
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555I do. I also know how the different companies work.
Please, please, PLEASE, for your sake, think about what your saying.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Yet to be proven. and as of yet so far, only in your dreams.
Speed and technical gaps between them? At the minimum, MINIMUM, goku is as fast as superman.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555No, you're giving goku too much undeserved credit.
At the Minimum. though. Giving superman a little undeserved credit.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Funny how when a kamehameha misses and hits the planet it just creates a large explosion. . .
But for your sake i will. Goku has a good heart, and has not used a warp kamehameha on a planet, but it would definatley destroy a planet, sixty times sixty.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Doesn't matter. A planet buster is a planet buster.
Im sure superman has taken planet busting shots is impressive, the only problem is, superman has never felt such energy projection as those produced in the DBZ universe.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Not a chance in hell.
Cell would destroy superman.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Possible. . . I doubt it since he doesn't seem to start with his magic attack.
Majin buu would eat superman.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Not canon, also only in your dreams.
Super 17 would Tear superman apart.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555and the list is false.
The list goes on.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Not without the Dragonballs.
And must i remind you, if it absolutely came down to it, and it absolutely would not, goku would simply wish superman out of existance.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Mine are thoughtful. yours are just "Goku cool! Goku goku goku! Drool!" Which are not valid arguments.
Your mindless arguments are repetative.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Arousing? Whatever floats your boat. Your posts are unproven. Mine are not. I've shown you proof. You, have only given me "Goku COOOOOOOOOOOOL!" Which is not valid.
And i dont think i could ever convince you otherwise. So please, continue to make confusing rebuttles and baseless statements, it only makes your posts more arousing.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissTruth hurts don't it? 🙂
thats the best you got... no he didn't.....alot of your arguments are just;
"nope its not true" or just "false"give over cresh your just making stuff up now....
Its predictible that your just going to say;
"no im not... you are making stuff up not me"
Seriously, you'eve brought nothing to this discussion. You've attempted to knock down comic book feats with one sided real world theoretical physics. And false claims of beleif.
I've knocked down all of your lies, what's next? How about something actually logical?
I'm getting tired of shooting down these "Oh, Goookuuuu :droolio:" arguments.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Truth hurts don't it? 🙂Seriously, you'eve brought nothing to this discussion. You've attempted to knock down comic book feats with one sided real world theoretical physics. And false claims of beleif.
I've knocked down all of your lies, what's next? How about something actually logical?
I'm getting tired of shooting down these "Oh, Goookuuuu :droolio:" arguments.
I've brought nothing???? what ever I bring you just don't accept.. Not cause its wrong, but because It doesn't suit you... The black hole debate just shows how much you love superman.... No logic enters into your mind about what superman can and can't do in that situation. Hes never shown the kinda speed required to escape a double black hole, you yourself are very careful to say "AT LEAST LIGHTSPEED" as you know you can prove LS, but no where have you shown any more....
Yes I've used some values from the real world... because comics are based on the real world, Its not called a blue hole is it? its not something DC have dreamed up for superman to fight??? no its a scientifically valid spaceal ocurance, just like bullets in comic books are given the same speed as the ones in the real world... so do black holes...
I know you ill just ignore most of that...So cresh... here you go....
Superman home gravity is only 50-100 times earth gravity... at that point he loses most of his powers...
Goku on the other hand is still powerful at that gravity....
or....
"When his cells become "supercharged" under a yellow sun, a Kryptonian becomes super-powered. He is invulnerable to forces under 1 kiloton, and is harmed only by repeated blows of over 1 megaton. His brain and nervous system keep up with his enhanced speed, as they too are amplified by K-ATP."
Correct me if I'm wrong... but a megaton bomb is a nuke... Gokus blast are greater then a nuke.....
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Gt was still not made by Akira Toriyama. Still not canon.
And For the record, Akira Toriyama Initially worked on Dragonball GT giving the initial premise for the show. Giving some outlines, as it would be a contination of his works.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss✅
I've brought nothing????
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissBecause I counter it, showing that it's not valid.
what ever I bring you just don't accept..
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissYup, because it's wrong.
Not cause its wrong,
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissOr logic or the truth. . .
but because It doesn't suit you...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissAnd how little you know of him and theoretical sciences.
The black hole debate just shows how much you love superman....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissOf course it does. Too bad it doesn't for you. 😉
No logic enters into your mind about what superman can and can't do in that situation.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissHe does it all the time. Crossing a galaxy in seconds for example.
Hes never shown the kinda speed required to escape a double black hole,[/b
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissBecause it was shown before.
[B]you yourself are very careful to say "AT LEAST LIGHTSPEED" as you know you can prove LS, but no where have you shown any more....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissTo one character and not the other, and only those values that suit you.
Yes I've used some values from the real world...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissActually they are based on imaginations. Though the key word here is "based on". . . something that is "based on" something else doesn't have to be that way.
because comics are based on the real world,
The nightmare before christmas is based on Tim Burton's characters. But he didn't write it.
Fatal Frame is Based on a real story. . . but obviously the whole thing isn't real.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissNope. It's called black because you can't see it. Though that for some reason doesn't keep people from knowing about them adn even "seeing" one.
Its not called a blue hole is it?
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissIt's still not proven.
its not something DC have dreamed up for superman to fight??? no its a scientifically valid
If you knew the difference between applied and theoretical science you'd know that.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissBullets are applied, black holes are theoretical.
spaceal ocurance, just like bullets in comic books are given the same speed as the ones in the real world... so do black holes...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissMuch like how you ignore the information that doesn't suit you. I however did not ignore and told you what was wrong with it.
I know you ill just ignore most of that...So cresh... here you go....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissProve it. 🙂
Superman home gravity is only 50-100 times earth gravity... at that point he loses most of his powers...
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissHe ignores the drag coefficient. as well as other natural laws, but hey who cares right? We want him to win so we're only going to apply science theoretical or applied to Supes, ruight?
Goku on the other hand is still powerful at that gravity....
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissWhere did you get that information? 😆
"When his cells become "supercharged" under a yellow sun, a Kryptonian becomes super-powered. He is invulnerable to forces under 1 kiloton, and is harmed only by repeated blows of over 1 megaton. His brain and nervous system keep up with his enhanced speed, as they too are amplified by K-ATP."Correct me if I'm wrong... but a megaton bomb is a nuke... Gokus blast are greater then a nuke.....
He's since gotten much stronger and has taken planet busting shots. This is due to him storing more and more energy from the sun boosting his abilities up higher and higher.
He doesn't lose the solar energy when he uses his powers, so he just keeps gaining more. increasing his abilities until. . .
He takes care of black holes. . . something Goku has never done.
Originally posted by TheQuincy
HOW ARE THERE 49 PAGES OF THIS THREAD???? WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES SUPERMAN COULD TAKE GOKU???????? SUPERMAN WOULD BE UTTERLY DEMOLISHED BY GOKU. GOKU CAN BLAST THE ABSOLUTE CRAP OUT OF HIM. HE'S FASTER, HE'S STRONGER, AND HE'S A BETTER FIGHTER!
Superman is faster, Superman is stronger, Superman is more durable.
Goku can't dish out any damage that a black hole couldn't do. 🙂
