Goku v. Superman

Originally posted by jinzin
goku was traveling several times faster than light speed to get to new vegeta though... 😕

vegeta didn't see anything until they fell out of I.T.

and he didn't blow the planet at the core.. where did you get that? 🤨

and the piccolo thing, it truly depends which you use... there's also jap edits that state lightspeed..

The Japanese version never used that line with Piccolo being FTL. They aren't FTL at all. And IT is like a teleport, it's not his actual speed.

Originally posted by dvampire
Yes but fighting people (WW, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, and more) who has Super speed like proves that he has fighting speeds.

Here's a pick of BA fighting Allen while using the speed force, who is one of the fastest characters in DC.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/995/baflash17ts7ql0vk.jpg

fighting fast people doesn't prove that superman has the same fighting speed... it doesn't prove he's faster in combat than dbz characters at the end of z/gt.

batman's tripped flash man...

plenty of people with the speed force get nailed when in motion by people who don't move at such speeds.....

Originally posted by dvampire
The Japanese version never used that line with Piccolo being FTL. They aren't FTL at all. And IT is like a teleport, it's not his actual speed.

see movie 6 for reference.. it can be if he chooses such...

just like goku can kioken while in ssj 4.. if you're seriously going to sir there and say he is so underclassed by supes at that kind of level all I can say is you're out of your mind...

SSJ~Kaioken is yet another filler but it is one that you seem to think will make Goku God.. and if that were the case don't you think he would've used it?

Anyway look back a page and you will see why IT (non-canon) is slower then Superman

Originally posted by jinzin
i have.. there's no conclussive evidence to say he fights faster than a dbz fighter though... 😕

and using anime goku.. who fights IN instant transmission supes would be in trouble...

He's faster. Can they read at high speeds, move there body so fast that they become intangible, can they travel at light speed or move there body so fast that they become invisible? 🙂 Goku was fighting in another demension against Cooler (they both had the technique IT). And Goku whould be the one in trouble since he's not faster in flight speed or fighting/reflexive speeds. 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
see movie 6 for reference.. it can be if he chooses such...

just like goku can kioken while in ssj 4.. if you're seriously going to sir there and say he is so underclassed by supes at that kind of level all I can say is you're out of your mind...

And if you can't prvide evidence that ssj3/4 Goku is faster, stronger, more durable, or has better stamina than Superman, then your out of your mind. 🙂

What nobody seems to get is using Non-canon makes Goku look even stupider

read!!! I told you that robot in short circut read at speedss so fast but cant move that fast.

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
SSJ~Kaioken is yet another filler but it is one that you seem to think will make Goku God.. and if that were the case don't you think he would've used it?

Anyway look back a page and you will see why IT (non-canon) is slower then Superman

cause he crosses galaxies over the course of a day? 🤨

sorry.. fighting speeds.. there's no way to tell.. traveling.. I believe supes is faster...

and I don't think goku is god while using that technique.. just that it's certainly something he can.. and HAS done....

I think you're forgetting, I think goku loses this fight... just not easily..

Originally posted by dvampire
He's faster. Can they read at high speeds, move there body so fast that they become intangible, can they travel at light speed or move there body so fast that they become invisible? 🙂 Goku was fighting in another demension against Cooler (they both had the technique IT). And Goku whould be the one in trouble since he's not faster in flight speed or fighting/reflexive speeds. 🙂

goku kinda did the intangible thing against the gynu's and the invisable thing was something yamcha was capable of in the beginning of the series... 😕

Originally posted by dvampire
And if you can't prvide evidence that ssj3/4 Goku is faster, stronger, more durable, or has better stamina than Superman, then your out of your mind. 🙂

Freiza beating the crap out of him, while he charages spirit bomb

Originally posted by jinzin
fighting fast people doesn't prove that superman has the same fighting speed... it doesn't prove he's faster in combat than dbz characters at the end of z/gt.

batman's tripped flash man...

plenty of people with the speed force get nailed when in motion by people who don't move at such speeds.....

Prove it? If Batman even thinks of touching Flash in the speed force, his body whould be destroyed. And you still havn't prove that any DBZ/GT character is faster than even that.

Has any DBZ/GT character done this before?

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2415/10082005075821pm5dx.jpg

Supergirl is vibrating her body so fast, that she's invisible. She's just as fast as Superman. 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
faster in fighting speeds is arguable...
stronger.. no not physically.. but he's just as powerful in desctructive capabilities... more durable.. they both take planet busting shots... better stamina... ummm perhaps one is forgetting goku training for days while on his way to namek.. then fighting a battle that lasted a day a little bit after he got there...

Goku doesn't take planet busting shots. 😕 Superman is far stronger than any being Goku has ever faced. One punch whould off ssj3/4 Goku. SSJ3/4 Goku gets hurt by physical attacks that are far less Superman's punching power and is taken down by moutain/city destroying blast (not planetary) that sometimes does lesser damage than there physical attacks. And I'm still waiting for proof that they are faster than Superman. 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
goku kinda did the intangible thing against the gynu's and the invisable thing was something yamcha was capable of in the beginning of the series... 😕

No he didn't. He was moving out of the way as I said before. The other characters just wasn't fast enough to see him move.

Here's Superman vibrating through Doomsday lightining/fire Breath (he's inside the lightning/fire breath).

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7210/supermanfast2md.jpg

Here he is vibrating his body invisible.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5462/supermaninvisible45cf.jpg

He's far faster. 🙂

Superman whoops anyone. Nuff' said.

Originally posted by dvampire
Prove it? If Batman even thinks of touching Flash in the speed force, his body whould be destroyed. And you still havn't prove that any DBZ/GT character is faster than even that.

Has any DBZ/GT character done this before?

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2415/10082005075821pm5dx.jpg

Supergirl is vibrating her body so fast, that she's invisible. She's just as fast as Superman. 🙂

again ivisability from movement is nothing new to the dbz crew... infact it was a feat in their first saga... so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.. and you honestly want me to go find all the people that have trashed flash in mid movement? deathstroke anyone? 😛

Originally posted by dvampire
Goku doesn't take planet busting shots. 😕 Superman is far stronger than any being Goku has ever faced. One punch whould off ssj3/4 Goku. SSJ3/4 Goku gets hurt by physical attacks that are far less Superman's punching power and is taken down by moutain/city destroying blast (not planetary) that sometimes does lesser damage than there physical attacks. And I'm still waiting for proof that they are faster than Superman. 🙂

physically.. yes superman's the strongest.. in terms of descructive power... no.. not even close.. king kold- ability to destroy a solar sytem.. gets worked by trunks who isn't even trying.. who in turn get chumped by goku's finger... hmmmmmmm

as far as the speed thing... it's simple... dbz characters had comparible combative feats of speed in the early stages of dbz.. it stands to reason that they are ungodly fast later on when they are literally million upon millions of times better than they once were...

Originally posted by Solo
Superman whoops anyone. Nuff' said.

except batman with prep time.. 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
again ivisability from movement is nothing new to the dbz crew... infact it was a feat in their first saga... so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.. and you honestly want me to go find all the people that have trashed flash in mid movement? deathstroke anyone? 😛

physically.. yes superman's the strongest.. in terms of descructive power... no.. not even close.. king kold- ability to destroy a solar sytem.. gets worked by trunks who isn't even trying.. who in turn get chumped by goku's finger... hmmmmmmm

as far as the speed thing... it's simple... dbz characters had comparible combative feats of speed in the early stages of dbz.. it stands to reason that they are ungodly fast later on when they are literally million upon millions of times better than they once were...

And you still fail to provide evidence that any DBZ/GT character is faster than Superman. Superman has them in fighting/reflexive speeds and flight speed, which makes him far faster in air combat. You can be far slower than sound and the human eye won't be able to keep up. They aren't faster, and you havn't proved that they are.

Again ssj3/4 Goku gets hurt by physical attacks that are far less than Superman's punching power, this goes for there energy blast too, which is only capable of destroying moutains/cities. 🙂

You think they are far less than supes, don't mean they are. i see supes get hurt/ pushed back at a damn truck getting thrown at him, by Metallo