Goku v. Superman

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Filler scene, also caused plotholes

Wanna try again using canon scenes??....

see this is all a question of what people are willing to accept or not accept as canon.. honestly both sides are doing it.. but seriously... in the mangas the dbz fighters appear to be a lot less capible of being as big a threat against superman.. but since the anime versions present more of a challenge, and more people are familiar with them, than it's reasonable to assume that's the versions we're using here..

Originally posted by dvampire
Vegeta blowing up planet Arila was filler (if that's the case, he would have blew up Earth much easier against Goku too). And there not FTL bcasue there energy blast aren't FTL (unless you think Goku is faster than light, when he was out racing Cells rip off attack from Piccolo in flight speed, who is far more powerful than Piccolo at the beginning of DBZ). And Goku and Cooler (who had IT too) was fighting in another demension when using IT.🙂

dude I know that they're filler scenes.. but people are using similar tactics for supes too.. I know because of DC's whacked out infinate earths crap, it's hard to follow canon supes.. but damn.. just read my post above to better understand..

and as I said before.. characters in dbz have WAYYYYYY faster fighting speeds than traveling speeds...

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Funny, he never did.

cause he was holding back 99% of his power.... 😕

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Cell was proven wrong after his beam exploded on top of Earth and only made a huge crator....

Also IT isn't instant, it takes a couple of seconds to lock onto ki... There is no debating this becuase it was a stated line.

hell even in the original jap edits king kold is ranting on and on about how he has enough power to destroy a solar system yet a little boy is beating the crap out of him....

Originally posted by jinzin
dude I know that they're filler scenes.. but people are using similar tactics for supes too.. I know because of DC's whacked out infinate earths crap, it's hard to follow canon supes.. but damn.. just read my post above to better understand..

and as I said before.. characters in dbz have WAYYYYYY faster fighting speeds than traveling speeds...

We are using Post-crisis Superman, every feat I've shown is post-crisis Superman. And the DBZ/GT characters fight at high speeds, but so does Superman (as I've also shown), who is faster.

Originally posted by dvampire
We are using Post-crisis Superman, every feat I've shown is post-crisis Superman. And the DBZ/GT characters fight at high speeds, but so does Superman (as I've also shown), who is faster.

faster in flight.. perhaps... he however has not shown to be faster in combat.... catching bullets and beating up big guys doesn't prove this fact at all... 😕

and at least several of your supes pics have superman in a different costume.. I know how many elseworlds there are in dc so it's hard to determine how credible those pics are.... that's all...

Originally posted by dvampire
How is Goku going to hurt Superman when he could barly push a moutain apart inssj2 or ssj4 when he struggled with pushing a building in place and having trouble lifting people on a small rock? Superman whould destroy Goku in a sec.

Here's ssj2 Goku struggling to push a moutain apart, something Superman was doing ten years ago.

http://myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Media/Video_Clips/VideoClips.htm

Here's Superman's feats.

Supes is using his Heat Vision to get the foe off of him.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5001/supes8cz.jpg

Supes shoots a beam of low-intensity Heat Vision at the Moon. People in the watch tower was blinded except for Plastic Man cause sense he had shades on. The Moon is very far from Earth, this shows the range Supes Heat Vision has.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9708/supermansheatvision24vv.jpg

In this pic it shows that Supes Heat Vision stated by them, "his vision is off the charts by any standard scientific measures". They can measure how hot a star is, but they cannot measure the temp of Supermans Heat Vision.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/863/supermansheatvision30nk.jpg

In this pic his power is waning under a red sun, but he still summoned enough Heat Vision to successfully power Jor-ELs planet-moving ion engines. The in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6824/supermansheatvision17gy.jpg

In this pic, Superman is flying by the sun to stop the Cannabal planet from destroying the sun. This also prove that Supes is able to blow up a planet aswell. He also heated up a plaent with his Heat Vision before too.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7923/supermansheatvison2np.jpg

Superman calculating the guys melting point. Wich also shows how much he holds back with his Heat Vision, to keep from killing his foes.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8360/08222005124926pm7ji.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3679/08222005125029pm5zg.jpg

Supes just spraying this guy with Heat Vision. If he wanted to, he could kill Goku easily with Heat Vision, without even letting him even breath.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1535/0822311an.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1271/0822323nz.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3776/0822338uf.jpg

Superman can also blind his opponent or just lobotimize his foe with Heat Vision. If he was fighting to kill without holding back there's no telling what he'll do.

Here's proof that Supes is light speed, and is far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

Superman catching bullets with little effort. This is something the DBZ/Gt characters can do also though.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7786/08222005050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg

Here's Superman reading at high speeds (something Goku or any of the DBZ/GT characters ever done).

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4955/superman1451ba.jpg

Superman fighting at high speeds.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating (phasing) his body so fast that hes going right through Doomsday Lightning/Fire Breath. This is proof that hes far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating his body invisible now, something they also can't do either.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/553/supermaninvisible44zc.jpg

Here's Superman calculating how fast to go on Earths Surface in populated areas. He also plug Lois them ears with cotton while he flew through.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/704/08222005052719pm2ys.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8281/08222005052832pm2wo.jpg

Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg

Superman traveling at high speeds in space.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1831/supermanhaulingassagain37xc.jpg

Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1954/08222005054558pm3oy.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2785/08222005054722pm5jq.jpg

Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

Superman is far stronger too, as is always holding back. Superman hits Lobo from Earth into orbit, Lobo stats that if he doesn't stop himself that he'll spend the next century obitting around the planet.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4643/supeslobo0uo.jpg

Superman and G. Zod blows are so devastating that they are creating earthquakes and the planet is falling apart. And he was still holding back while fighting under a red sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg

Here's Supes when hes done pulling his punches.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3613/cy14oq.jpg

Here's Superman holding a black hole in the palm of his hand for a while.
Which makes him far stronger than than Goku.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg

Here's Superman taking several particle beams.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/60/09122118lq.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3651/durability55et.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3443/09131329ai.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4640/durability20ki.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1761/durability35ln.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9263/211117fk.jpg

Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3932/08222005121910pm8yp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg

Superman surviving the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero. The sun eater is an enormously energetic cloud that literally eats both the energy and mass of whole stars. The sun eater was considerably larger than a star, had been in existence for millenia and had consumed the energy of many stars by travelling from galaxy to galaxy. Which proves that he's far more durable than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7467/09122005080012pm3uo.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4746/09122005080419pm3ri.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7775/durability49cp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/851/durability11pn.jpg

Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole (which beats every feat ssj3/4 Goku or any DBZ/GT character has ever done), this proves his strength, speed, and durability.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4198/untitled128qt3bk.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5858/untitled138wy8fy.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5207/untitled140kt3ew.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/938/untitled152oe8eq.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg

Superman has ssj3/4 Goku in strength, speed, durability, and stamina. Goku loses.

🙂 🙂

Please look at Superman's speed feats this time Jinzin, all of the pics I've shown is post-crisis Superman. 🙂

Well If you wanna use anime Goku... Then you have to count the fact that Kuririn tossing a rock at Goku hurt him.... Or in Gt where Base Kid Goku can be hurt by a spinning fan or have his ass burnt by lava.....

Originally posted by dvampire
Please look at Superman's speed feats this time Jinzin, all of the pics I've shown is post-crisis Superman. 🙂

i have.. there's no conclussive evidence to say he fights faster than a dbz fighter though... 😕

and using anime goku.. who fights IN instant transmission supes would be in trouble...

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Well If you wanna use anime Goku... Then you have to count the fact that Kuririn tossing a rock at Goku hurt him.... Or in Gt where Base Kid Goku can be hurt by a spinning fan or have his ass burnt by lava.....

when his chi's not focused he hurts himself stubbing a toe... good thing he doesn't fight unfocused though...

you honestly think he would be hurt by a lil rock in mid battle? 🤨

and he literally bathed in lava on his way to king kai's in the beginning of the series... 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
well you could... but using "non canon" 🙄 material.. doesn't bode well for supes.. since, if that's the case.. radditz did indeed sidestep a light speed attack, vegeta blew up a planet with ease in the mid saiyan saga.. and goku can fight cooler WHILE in speeds of instant transmition....

1. Ratdiz sidestepping at light speed isn't filler, it's a stupid dub line...

2. Vegeta still blew the planet up by hitting it's core.....

3. Funny thing is non-canon makes Goku able to use It at fast speeds but doesn't make him instant... seeing as how Vegeta could see blurrs of Goku and Cooler and in the Brolli movie where Goku is show traveling across the universe..... Meaning IT (Non-canon) would have to be several several times faster then Sol to even be considered in this fight with Superman.

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Well If you wanna use anime Goku... Then you have to count the fact that Kuririn tossing a rock at Goku hurt him.... Or in Gt where Base Kid Goku can be hurt by a spinning fan or have his ass burnt by lava.....

that was joke for starters(anime funny stuff like kenshin eps) Next is the fact that if you really want to use that, then i say he was sleeping like when goku fought freiiza in ssj freiza was scared to death that goku would attack and kill him before he charged up(to get stronger)

Originally posted by jinzin
when his chi's not focused he hurts himself stubbing a toe... good thing he doesn't fight unfocused though...

you honestly think he would be hurt by a lil rock in mid battle? 🤨

and he literally bathed in lava on his way to king kai's in the beginning of the series... 😕

Well I'm pretty sure Goku was concentrating his "chi: when he was about to be chopped up by that fan in Gt -_-

Bathed in lava? That was blood my friend, not lava...

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
that was joke for starters(anime funny stuff like kenshin eps) Next is the fact that if you really want to use that, then i say he was sleeping like when goku fought freiiza in ssj freiza was scared to death that goku would attack and kill him before he charged up(to get stronger)

Humor or not... it counts..

Originally posted by dvampire
Vegeta blowing up planet Arila was filler (if that's the case, he would have blew up Earth much easier against Goku too). And there not FTL bcasue there energy blast aren't FTL (unless you think Goku is faster than light, when he was out racing Cells rip off attack from Piccolo in flight speed, who is far more powerful than Piccolo at the beginning of DBZ). And Goku and Cooler (who had IT too) was fighting in another demension when using IT.🙂

He could of blew it up much easier, but for starters that planet was smaller than earth just like namekl is WAY bigger than earth/more durabile. next is that if he just shot a little beam goku could of easly deflected it so he had to shoot a killer so if goku tries he will fail anyway.

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
1. Ratdiz sidestepping at light speed isn't filler, it's a stupid dub line...

2. Vegeta still blew the planet up by hitting it's core.....

3. Funny thing is non-canon makes Goku able to use It at fast speeds but doesn't make him instant... seeing as how Vegeta could see blurrs of Goku and Cooler and in the Brolli movie where Goku is show traveling across the universe..... Meaning IT (Non-canon) would have to be several several times faster then Sol to even be considered in this fight with Superman.

goku was traveling several times faster than light speed to get to new vegeta though... 😕

vegeta didn't see anything until they fell out of I.T.

and he didn't blow the planet at the core.. where did you get that? 🤨

and the piccolo thing, it truly depends which you use... there's also jap edits that state lightspeed..

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Humor or not... it counts..

Thats why i just explained that he was at powered down and sleeping like the frieza EXAMPLE.

Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Well I'm pretty sure Goku was concentrating his "chi: when he was about to be chopped up by that fan in Gt -_-

Bathed in lava? That was blood my friend, not lava...

umm no he bathed in lava....

Originally posted by jinzin
faster in flight.. perhaps... he however has not shown to be faster in combat.... catching bullets and beating up big guys doesn't prove this fact at all... 😕

and at least several of your supes pics have superman in a different costume.. I know how many elseworlds there are in dc so it's hard to determine how credible those pics are.... that's all...

Yes but fighting people (WW, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, and more) who has Super speed like proves that he has fighting speeds.

Here's a pick of BA fighting Allen while using the speed force, who is one of the fastest characters in DC.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/995/baflash17ts7ql0vk.jpg

1. It was never stated lava and it looks like blood..... and it is also filler

2. So what your saying is if ChiChi wanted to she could kill a sleeping Goku? Aww that makes sense it is so clear now.

3. Frieza and Kid Buu blew up planets by hitting there cores, Vgetea must've done the same

4. Vegeta was still able to know what was going on... blurr or not.. he knew they were fighting at Lightspeed... If they were instant he wouldn't even be able to think before there fight was over.

5. Jap edits? you mean Dub fanboys using the dub lines to fansub... also I don't care what version you use that is a mistranslated line.