Thor vs. Hulk

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Originally posted by iceman24567
Well you must not have read it right 😐. Using his abilities Thor was too much for Hulk 😱
Not with the abilities he used. If you are going to ignore the context behind this stalemate at least be honest about it. Lighting isn't going to win Thor any battles over the Hulk imo considering the epic wars these two have had. Hulk also buried Thor beneath a mountain and it took Thor time to re engage him. The point is neither this nor the lightning won them any victories. It was another stalemate with neither being able to really put the other down.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I reread the whole book when i made that comment i admit i was still a little high thats why i retracted my statement. Heres what i should have said Thor can and will overpower Hulk when he utilizes his abilities. Thor could have put the Hulk out after the first lightning strike in my opinion maybe the respect he has for Hulk didn't allow him to he commented on them being on the Avengers together but it's pure speculation. The second fight proves my point lightning strike then the KO.
After that first lightning strike and teleportation, Hulk immediately retaliated and BFR'd him underneath rubble. After Hulk had been dealing with monsters for hours, Thor shows up again whacks em a few times and knocks him out briefly at the end with lightning. After allowing Thor a couple of speech bubbles to pontificate, Hulk immediately slaps him away. And after they re-engage on Earth, Hulk beats him into the ground whereupon Thor uses his weather powers, which while momentarily blinding Hulk, proved useless and only ended up endangering innocents.

Focusing on how Thor did with his powers in the second round where he managed a brief k.o., without embracing how Hulk did against his powers in the first round (which had Thor incapacitated longer than Hulk was) and the third round (where it was a stalemate) is short-sighted.

Oh is that what happened?

ODG is a bit similar to the guy at leaderslair.com

He counts punches.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
ODG is a bit similar to the guy at leaderslair.com

He counts punches.

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Originally posted by iceman24567
Oh is that what happened?
No. I'm just lying to you. In fact, go post the scans now to expose me.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
ODG is a bit similar to the guy at leaderslair.com

He counts punches.

When I have to dumb it down to explain it to illiterate folks who think Thor dominated that fight with his powers, I consider it to be more of a public service.

^ i said Thor dominated in that fight? I believe i said he overpowered him using his other abilities which he did.

^ Tomato, tomatoe. We agree on what meaning you gave considering that you still believe Thor overpowered Hulk with his powers.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Tomato, tomatoe. We agree on what meaning you gave considering that you still believe Thor overpowered Hulk with his powers.
Because he did overpower him with his powers.

^ Overpower suggests overwhelming. Knocking Hulk unconscious for less than a minute is neither, by any stretch of the word. Few argue that Hulk overwhelms Thor with his strength, and yet by your tunnel-vision powers that's what Hulk did. Seriously, save it. And by "it," I mean face. And by "face," I mean your's.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Because he did overpower him with his powers.
The Hulk also buried Thor beneath a mountain. This tactic didn't defeat thor and neither did the 5 second ko of the Hulk. It ended like it always does in a stalemate.

Originally posted by Master Court
I defnitely did not say Superman can't beat Hulk without BFR.

I said, in a 10x10foot adamantium cage, where Superman has no room to maneuver and is forced into a fist fight, Hulk would rip him apart.

10ft is too much room actually. Spider-man only needed 5ft to dance all around Hulk in multiples where Hulk couldn't touch him. Plus you forgot the combo to ko. If Superman is comboing Hulk then who cares how much room there is.

And WHAT THE F*CK!? You actually think Superman is stronger than Gladiator, Thor, Sentry, and all the other high-end top-tiers that Hulk has fought and beaten/stalemated over the years? Hulk's taken the hardest hit Thor can muster from Mjolnir, in the face, and Hulk took it in stride. Can you prove Superman is stronger than everyone Hulk has ever faced? You can't just say it. You have to prove it. Hercules held up the Earth, and he's never KO'd Hulk. Thor has lifted things that are heavier than Earth, and his hardest shots are just normal shots to Hulk. Gladiator never holds back, and intended to kill Hulk. He couldn't do it. Sentry stalemated Galactus, and went all out against WWHulk. He couldn't beat him.

Going by best feats Superman is far stronger than Thor, Gladiator, any version of Hulk, Sentry, etc. This is your proof.

Thor holds back (especially against Hulk). Sentry stalemating Galactus is not accepted for it wasn't shown and considered PIS anyway. We also don't accept Spider-man beating Firelord (and that was actually shown).

Can you prove Superman is stronger than any of them? I believe he is, but not all of them.

Again by best feats Superman is clearly stronger than all top tiers and heralds.

Besides that, we have no idea how much force anyone's ever used to KO Hulk. I mean, the fanboys and haters aside, who would cream their jeans if a scan of Ant-Man punching Hulk could be twisted enough to count as a KO, can talk sh*t about lots of fights. But show me a scan of Hulk indisputably being KO'd by a solid punch.

In Namor's respect thread there is a scan of Namor koing Hulk in one punch in the water, knocking him out cold and turning him back to Banner.

And true, Hulk couldn't hit Superman if Superman isn't trying to hit him. But if Superman tried that combo to KO crap, Hulk would catch him, and f*ck him. Anyone that is a fan of both Superman and Hulk, and knows their powers and history well enough, should come to the conclusion that all Superman has to do is fight smart and he could take 10/10 against Hulk. But if Superman tries to brawl, Hulk takes that fight. The combo to KO doesn't just require speed, it requires the other person to not be able to react fast enough to catch you, either with the Hulk-Grip or a b*tch smack.

If Hulk acts while Superman is comboing him then it wasn't a combo by definition. The combo to ko principle was violated. To achieve the combo to ko
1. One must be powerful enough to jar(stun) with a blow
2. One must be quick enough to land another jarring blow before the previous stun effect from the first wears off.

If these two requirements are met then the opponent would never be able to act and will be comboed to ko.

If you are not convinced then:
Each hit by Superman can stun Hulk for at least a second. Superman can punch many times per second. Thus stipulations 1 and 2 are met and Superman can combo Hulk to ko.

Except lesser enemies don't piss Hulk off that much. He's not gonna go batsh*t if he just has to deck someone a couple times. It's the people that give him trouble that enrage him into amping.

The problem is it is impossible to get angry when one is stunned.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Overpower suggests overwhelming. Knocking Hulk unconscious for less than a minute is neither, by any stretch of the word. Few argue that Hulk overwhelms Thor with his strength, and yet by your tunnel-vision powers that's what Hulk did. Seriously, save it. And by "it," I mean face. And by "face," I mean your's.
It was obvious during that arc that Hulk couldn't take Thors lightning attack and when he used it? It did overwhelm him hence him dropping but thats using my tunnel vision i guess 😱

Do people actually question that Thor could kill Hulk if he wanted in that specific fight?

He could easily take his life while he was out

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Originally posted by Warlord
Do people actually question that Thor could kill Hulk if he wanted in that specific fight?

He could easily take his life while he was out

I dunno. I could see Hulk waking up and being angrier than ever. If Thor released a godblast or really used his higher end powers I definitely see him winning, but just smashing and shooting lightning wouldn't defeat the Hulk imo.

Originally posted by iceman24567
It was obvious during that arc that Hulk couldn't take Thors lightning attack and when he used it? It did overwhelm him hence him dropping but thats using my tunnel vision i guess
Getting knocked out by it briefly is not being overpowered. Unless you think Thor was "overpowered" by Hulk's strength in the first and third round and thus feel justified in suggesting a blanket over-generalization that Hulk overpowers Thor in strength. We both know what we're tlaking about here. Let's drop the pretense.
Originally posted by Warlord
Do people actually question that Thor could kill Hulk if he wanted in that specific fight?

He could easily take his life while he was out

Same could be said of Hulk when he had Thor on the ropes multiple times in this fight and others. But it'd be a blatant mischaracterization that between Hulk and Thor, Hulk "overpowers" Thor with his strength. That's just false. As is the suggestion that Thor "overpowers" Hulk with his powers. They can each get the upperhand respectively, but to suggest that's the bottom-line on either side? Not really.

Originally posted by h1a8
10ft is too much room actually. Spider-man only needed 5ft to dance all around Hulk in multiples where Hulk couldn't touch him. Plus you forgot the combo to ko. If Superman is comboing Hulk then who cares how much room there is. Going by best feats Superman is far stronger than Thor, Gladiator, any version of Hulk, Sentry, etc. This is your proof.

Thor holds back (especially against Hulk). Sentry stalemating Galactus is not accepted for it wasn't shown and considered PIS anyway. We also don't accept Spider-man beating Firelord (and that was actually shown). Again by best feats Superman is clearly stronger than all top tiers and heralds. In Namor's respect thread there is a scan of Namor koing Hulk in one punch in the water, knocking him out cold and turning him back to Banner. If Hulk acts while Superman is comboing him then it wasn't a combo by definition. The combo to ko principle was violated. To achieve the combo to ko
1. One must be powerful enough to jar(stun) with a blow
2. One must be quick enough to land another jarring blow before the previous stun effect from the first wears off.

If these two requirements are met then the opponent would never be able to act and will be comboed to ko.

If you are not convinced then:
Each hit by Superman can stun Hulk for at least a second. Superman can punch many times per second. Thus stipulations 1 and 2 are met and Superman can combo Hulk to ko. The problem is it is impossible to get angry when one is stunned.

I get it. You don't know what you're talking about.

Combo to ko, Superman is stronger than everyone just because you say so, and you're even taking Thor's words out of context in the classic fashion of those that have poor arguments.

I'm done talking with you. You don't accept facts, you don't understand logic, you misinterpret almost everything you use as debating material.

I read as far as "Thor always holds back, especially against Hulk." That sent up all the red flags that I was trying to debate with a jobber with a one-size fits all debate. All that combo to ko crap. Like Thor would hold back against a guy that has beaten Hercules and Gladiator almost to death. Both of them had their asses saved by outside intereference. And, of course, Thor has admitted that Hercules is a slightly better fighter than himself. Now I'm not saying Hulk is a better fighter than Thor. But if Hulk can batter a rival of Thor's, and by Thor's own admission Hulk is stronger than him, there's no logical reason why Thor would hold back all the time and in every single fight they've ever had, nor did Thor even say anything like that. The fact is, they didn't elaborate. Thor could've just as well meant he knows Hulk is not always to blame. But Thor is certainly not holding back when he hollars sh*t like "I will defeat thee!", and then can't defeat him.

And, of course, Red Hulk, whom Thor swore to kill, kicked the sh*t out of Thor, and apparently even had ample opportunity and power to kill him. Why would Thor hold back against a Hulk he intends to kill? Or hold back against a Hulk that is not really as powerful as the Green Hulk? And Thor got his nuts stomped in. So if we're gonna get lame about this, I have no beef about using the stomping Thor got from Red Hulk. So, Red Hulk stomped Thor just as easily as he stomped Hulk. And later, Thor and Hulk got their's back by owning Red Hulk. Seems Thor and Hulk are pretty even on the tier chart. Except Hulk's stronger and Thor has more power.

In any case, I'm not gonna keep debating with someone who is too stuck on their own understanding of things and unwilling to accept that they may be wrong. I'm stubborn as all Hell but even I accept the facts once in a while.

Good luck with the combo to ko crap. No one's gonna take your sh*t seriously if you keep doing that.

THE END!!

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Same could be said of Hulk when he had Thor on the ropes multiple times in this fight and others. But it'd be a blatant mischaracterization that between Hulk and Thor, Hulk "overpowers" Thor with his strength. That's just false. As is the suggestion that Thor "overpowers" Hulk with his powers. They can each get the upperhand respectively, but to suggest that's the bottom-line on either side? Not really.

I said he could kill him in this specific fight. Hulk could kill him on other occasions when Thor entered a slugfest. What Iceman and I are saying is that if thor uses all he got in his bag of tricks instead of fist fighting the Hulk can get a solid majority

^ Arguable. But that's not Thor's character.