Originally posted by h1a8
He can't will his hammer back if he is getting the fook comboed outta him.What perfect defense? The whirling hammer would only cover a small portion of his being. Superman can pop him from behind, legs, above his head, etc. Superman can even pop him before he can even whirl the hammer. Lightning will appear in slow motion to Supes. Even if Supes gives Thor the first moment to attack (to see what hes got) Thor could never hit Supes.
Did you see the second last panel in Avengers/JLA?
Thor even heralded his attack with calling down the storm, and telling the JLA he'd had enough.
Ever read early Thor, where Thor creates an impenetrable vortex with his spinning hammer to have a private talk with Odin? The Hulk tries in vain to break through it, but can't. Scans are in the Thor respect thread.
Feat like that was done again when Thor was attacked by Mongoose. When Thor had had enough of his pesky attacks, he whirled with his hammer so fast Mongoose was knocked far away.
Originally posted by h1a8That's a completely separate example which has nothing to do with Thor or superman. Thor is in Superman's league while Spiderman isn't in Firelord's. Your examples are terrible.
And I seen Spider-man ko firelord. Doesn't mean it will happen in a forum fight.
Originally posted by Starscream MYes, some attacks but not all. Thor's reflexes are ingrained in his dna. He can tag Superman and has done so.
given superman's powers and attributes, he should be able to dodge thor's attacks.would he? no.
Originally posted by h1a8
BFR is a win? A character only has a few minutes to make it back. Doesn't matter if they die or not. These are forum rules. Superman can casually throw or uppercut Hulk or Thor (without his hammer) into space. Thor can't fly without his hammer.Do you understand the combo to ko principle?
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First, are you asking me if BFR is a win? Because it's not. Nor did I ever say so. I can't see how you got that from anything I said. Where did I say "BFR is a victory"?
Second, if Superman only BFR's Hulk to another location on Earth, Hulk can make it back in a few minutes. He can clear several states in a single jump. Even if Superman BFR's Hulk eleven or twelve thousand miles away (meaning the opposite side of the world), Hulk can clear that. Even if Hulk has to sink to the bottom of the ocean just to get his feet on the bedrock. He could swim straight down really fast, and then leap right from that spot and get back to Metropolis in no time. That was my point. If Hulk is still on Earth when you BFR him, it's hardly BFR. Unless he can't find you, of course.
And... yes... I understand your combo theory... It's not sound... At all... Two fighters of comparable skill and power step into a ring of death, and you have this wild idea that one(always just the one you like) can just nail the other with one shot, and then keep hitting them until they're out cold. Except this isn't a f*cking BOXING MATCH!!
Have you ever been in a fight? Nevermind. I know the answer ïs "Hell no!" Well let me tell you why your combo to ko thing is bananas!
Intuition, skill, and flow. Know what they have in common? They're not physical attributes. People who assume the fastest person always wins, really don't know much(or anything) about fighting. WWHulk and Thor are both very strategic, skilled, and have high-end reflexes. If they know, and they would, that Superman is uber fast, they'd be ready. You don't put your guard up as the attack comes, you have it up before the attack is on it's way. That's intuition. You read your enemies movements, and feel their next move. And blah blah blah. Sh*t like that. There are so many f*cking variables in a fight that your scenario, a straight-up unanswered combo to ko, is totally f*cking bananas! Like when I had to choose between saving my favorite sunglasses or a stray kitten, and I actually chose the stray kitten. When I found my shades later, a lens was missing. That's your combo to ko theory. A lens is missing. It's got a gaping hole in it. The hole should be filled with knoweldge and those packs of little chocalate doughnuts you can get at 711, but you have neither.
If that doesn't do it for you, then let's just ignore reality and pick at some small logical errors. We're talking about two freaks who both have the strength to flatten a planet into a chocolate doughnut, have the durability to withstand planet-scale explosions and blows from people well above their own power, and the skill to contend with combat oriented gods. But, of course, Superman only weighs about a couple hundred pounds, and Hulk maybe less than a ton. If either hits the other with the force as would be required for the intent of harm, the hit party should go flying, much like in their cross-overs. That directly probhibits any kind of swift combat flow.
I hope all this bullsh*t makes it clear that your combo to ko theory is heavily flawed and lacking in educated insight, and there's a brobdingnagian hole in it's logic. The biggest scrap of logic missing is, of course, the fact that Hulk would be fighting back, and has easily combated speedsters in the past. On top of that, the muscle speed of reflexes is independent of movement speed. Just because Hulk can't run a thousand miles per hour, doesn't mean he can't catch someone who can. Hulk's caught speeding tank shells, which fly at thousands of feet per second. True, Superman can do his folded-arms, now-you-see-me-now-you-don't dodging routine to start, but the minute he goes in to attack, hit or miss, he's open to the legendary Hulk-Grip.
Batman barely survived the Hulk-Grip, and only with the help of his anti-Hulk gloves he put on before the fight. And of course the Bat-Kick. But we're talking about Superman, here. Now it's One AM where I am, and I'm f*cking tired and I have important sh*t to do tomorrow, so read this carefully, ignore any errors, logical or spelling, accept my glorious victory, and don't wake me up unless they finally made a sequal to the first two Robocop movies worth watching.
Originally posted by Master CourtWhat you don't understand is that when members mention bfr they are talking about Space or another dimension, not another place on Earth. So let me makes this clear, Superman bfrs Hulk and Thor to SPACE not another part of the Earth. They will never get back because they can't fly.
... 😐First, are you asking me if BFR is a win? Because it's not. Nor did I ever say so. I can't see how you got that from anything I said. Where did I say "BFR is a victory"?
Second, if Superman only BFR's Hulk to another location on Earth, Hulk can make it back in a few minutes. He can clear several states in a single jump. Even if Superman BFR's Hulk eleven or twelve thousand miles away (meaning the opposite side of the world), Hulk can clear that. Even if Hulk has to sink to the bottom of the ocean just to get his feet on the bedrock. He could swim straight down really fast, and then leap right from that spot and get back to Metropolis in no time. That was my point. If Hulk is still on Earth when you BFR him, it's hardly BFR. Unless he can't find you, of course.
combo to ko has happened many times, in comics, in reality, in video games, in movies, etc. You act like it is not possible to achieve. All it takes is sufficient power and speed (with flight is characters are too powerful). Are you arguing comic logic and comic science (not real)? If so then the combo to ko exists easily.
And... yes... I understand your combo theory... It's not sound... At all... Two fighters of comparable skill and power step into a ring of death, and you have this wild idea that one(always just the one you like) can just nail the other with one shot, and then keep hitting them until they're out cold. Except this isn't a f*cking BOXING MATCH!!Have you ever been in a fight? Nevermind. I know the answer ïs "Hell no!" Well let me tell you why your combo to ko thing is bananas!
There are no variables when fighting a statue. Go to a museum and smack around a statue. Will the statue retaliate? No. why? Because it is a statue and can't move. Hulk and Thor couldn't even blink their eye by the time Superman pops them.
Intuition, skill, and flow. Know what they have in common? They're not physical attributes. People who assume the fastest person always wins, really don't know much(or anything) about fighting. WWHulk and Thor are both very strategic, skilled, and have high-end reflexes. If they know, and they would, that Superman is uber fast, they'd be ready. You don't put your guard up as the attack comes, you have it up before the attack is on it's way. That's intuition. You read your enemies movements, and feel their next move. And blah blah blah. Sh*t like that. There are so many f*cking variables in a fight that your scenario, a straight-up unanswered combo to ko, is totally f*cking bananas! Like when I had to choose between saving my favorite sunglasses or a stray kitten, and I actually chose the stray kitten. When I found my shades later, a lens was missing. That's your combo to ko theory. A lens is missing. It's got a gaping hole in it. The hole should be filled with knoweldge and those packs of little chocalate doughnuts you can get at 711, but you have neither.
Superman can fly (FTL too) so with each hit he can be there to land another one before the stun effect wears off.
If that doesn't do it for you, then let's just ignore reality and pick at some small logical errors. We're talking about two freaks who both have the strength to flatten a planet into a chocolate doughnut, have the durability to withstand planet-scale explosions and blows from people well above their own power, and the skill to contend with combat oriented gods. But, of course, Superman only weighs about a couple hundred pounds, and Hulk maybe less than a ton. If either hits the other with the force as would be required for the intent of harm, the hit party should go flying, much like in their cross-overs. That directly probhibits any kind of swift combat flow.
Superman's speed vs. Hulk's is like a human watching a still picture. Also, hitting or catching speedsters is easy when they are not using their speed. Happens all the time.
I hope all this bullsh*t makes it clear that your combo to ko theory is heavily flawed and lacking in educated insight, and there's a brobdingnagian hole in it's logic. The biggest scrap of logic missing is, of course, the fact that Hulk would be fighting back, and has easily combated speedsters in the past. On top of that, the muscle speed of reflexes is independent of movement speed. Just because Hulk can't run a thousand miles per hour, doesn't mean he can't catch someone who can. Hulk's caught speeding tank shells, which fly at thousands of feet per second. True, Superman can do his folded-arms, now-you-see-me-now-you-don't dodging routine to start, but the minute he goes in to attack, hit or miss, he's open to the legendary Hulk-Grip.
You make a good point with the flow of the battle. Almost had me there until I realized that Superman can fly (and fast too). The combo to ko lives! I love Robocop too. LOL
Batman barely survived the Hulk-Grip, and only with the help of his anti-Hulk gloves he put on before the fight. And of course the Bat-Kick. But we're talking about Superman, here. Now it's One AM where I am, and I'm f*cking tired and I have important sh*t to do tomorrow, so read this carefully, ignore any errors, logical or spelling, accept my glorious victory, and don't wake me up unless they finally made a sequal to the first two Robocop movies worth watching.
Originally posted by Master CourtOn KMC, BFR is a win and a viable tactic as long as it's in a characters power set and supported by feats. Thor can BFR Hulk to another point in the universe. That's part of his power set and he's used dimensional portals before to BFR enemies.
First, are you asking me if BFR is a win? Because it's not. Nor did I ever say so. I can't see how you got that from anything I said. Where did I say "BFR is a victory"?
Originally posted by h1a8Thor can fly in space. 😐
Superman bfrs Hulk and Thor to SPACE not another part of the Earth. They will never get back because they can't fly.
Originally posted by Badabing
On KMC, BFR is a win and a viable tactic as long as it's in a characters power set and supported by feats. Thor can BFR Hulk to another point in the universe. That's part of his power set and he's used dimensional portals before to BFR enemies.
No, I mean "win" as in it doesn't mean they can actually beat that opponent. Like, a powerful telekinetic could BFR Hulk a great distance away, but it doesn't mean that the telekinetic could actually defeat Hulk.
And, just for the record, I'd already pointed out to the other guy that Thor can create portals to wherever he wants... Just sayin... you know... that I'm aware... 😄
Originally posted by Badabing
On KMC, BFR is a win and a viable tactic as long as it's in a characters power set and supported by feats. Thor can BFR Hulk to another point in the universe. That's part of his power set and he's used dimensional portals before to BFR enemies.Thor can fly in space. 😐
he was discussing Thor without his hammer.
Originally posted by Master CourtDefeat doesn't have to mean ko or death in Theory. For example, if I can trap someone forever then to me they are defeated. Isn't this is what death is anyway? Your spirit leaves the body (but still lives) but is bfr in another place forever.
No, I mean "win" as in it doesn't mean they can actually beat that opponent. Like, a powerful telekinetic could BFR Hulk a great distance away, but it doesn't mean that the telekinetic could actually defeat Hulk.And, just for the record, I'd already pointed out to the other guy that Thor can create portals to wherever he wants... Just sayin... you know... that I'm aware... 😄
If Im a superhero and I bfr a dangerous enemy to another dimension where they can't escape then I would consider that as defeating the enemy. As long as they can't achieve their goals and I stop them cold.
Catching criminals and taking them to jail is defeating them. They are bfr to jail.