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OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Warlord
1. in Avengers he was shown to be immune regardless
2. didn't he take him out in the fight in their fight in Hulk's annual?

1. Depends on writer. And still had Mjolnir.
2. He briefly knocked him unconscious for a few panels with a lightning strike AFTER exchanging more than several blows with him. It wasn't a one-shot by any stretch of the imagination.

Warlord Yes, I am...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1. Depends on writer. And still had Mjolnir.
2. He briefly knocked him unconscious for a few panels with a lightning strike AFTER exchanging more than several blows with him. It wasn't a one-shot by any stretch of the imagination.

1.He did but in neither case (Storm or Elements of doom) it was stated to have to do anything with his "affinity" to lightning

2. so has in this fight. they had already traded blows so a lightning bolt should at least force Hulk to release Thor's hand (if not subdue him again)

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

^ 1. In one case, it was stated it had to do with him holding Mjolnir. Depends on the writer.

2. I don't expect Thor to have the clarity of mind to call upon lightning when he was getting repeatedly bonked in the face by Mjolnir four times in an absurdly genius manner. You do. To each his own.

Warlord Yes, I am...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ 1. In one case, it was stated it had to do with him holding Mjolnir. Depends on the writer.
2. I don't expect Thor to have the clarity of mind to call upon lightning when he was getting repeatedly bonked in the face by Mjolnir four times in an absurdly genius manner. You do. To each his own.

1. what was that case? just asking...
2. ok...still I'm thinking that instinctively one should do anything under his power to ensure his own survival and calling lightning is something Thor can do with a thought.... anyway I can also understand your reasoning

Kid Kurdy Senior Member

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Thor takes this match handily.
Faster, more durable and stronger (at the get-go), wider array of powers.

Sigh...

Thor has never taken a Hulk match handily. Since day one Hulk and Thor have been written as equals.

Hulk has the edge in durability and raw power, Thor is faster and more versatile.

Thor can beat Hulk and vice versa.

I just don't get why this is so difficult to understand ?

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Hulk combos thor 2 ko

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Warlord
1. what was that case? just asking...
2. ok...still I'm thinking that instinctively one should do anything under his power to ensure his own survival and calling lightning is something Thor can do with a thought.... anyway I can also understand your reasoning

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor is not only immune to electricity blasts, but indeed refreshed by them as shown in Thor #288:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability18-Electrical288.jpg

And on your second point, I do agree that Thor can call lightning down instinctively in dire situations. He has done so against Hercules. But I see this most recent instance as Thor being caught completely off-guard and being too shocked/dumbfounded to do anything.

Warlord Yes, I am...

ah the Forgotten One fight...nice...
ok thanks

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
by that logic, as long as thor held on to mjolnir...he would be immovable, which is clearly not the case

I'm thinking this: Hulk should not be able to move Mjolnir. Period. Whether it's on the ground or in Thor's hand, it is off-limits to all but the worthy. Ergo, Hulk should not have been able to do what he did. Thor, on the other hand (yeah, pun intended), should still have been able to move--even despite Hulk's grip--because of the hammer's enchantment. Consequently, Thor should've been able to do to Hulk what Hulk did to him.

Now if Hulk had grabbed Thor's hand w/o Mjolnir in it, then I could see Hulk doing the Nelson Thing to Thor face with Thor's fist. But with Mjolnir in hand, Thor should not be handicapped while Hulk would be in the same situation as if he were trying to lift it from the ground.

At least, this is how I would work it, even though, again, I'm much more of a Hulk fan than Thor fan.

Clearly, Odin needs to upgrade the hammer's enchantment from No Lifting to No Moving.

janus77 Banana Genius

lightning hurting or even momenterily halting Hulk is PIS imo.

Storm's most powerful lightning blast and HT's Nova blast combined and absolutely no effect on Hulk ... so, if he's in a rage to kill Thor, I doubt that'll keep Thor from being pounded to mush.

Warlord Yes, I am...

Originally posted by janus77
lightning hurting or even momenterily halting Hulk is PIS imo.
Storm's most powerful lightning blast and HT's Nova blast combined and absolutely no effect on Hulk ... so, if he's in a rage to kill Thor, I doubt that'll keep Thor from being pounded to mush.

That was World War Hulk and Storm's firepower should not be compared with Thor's as Thor's lightning is mystically enhanced

Colossus-Big C Restricted

Originally posted by janus77
lightning hurting or even momenterily halting Hulk is PIS imo.
Storm's most powerful lightning blast and HT's Nova blast combined and absolutely no effect on Hulk ... so, if he's in a rage to kill Thor, I doubt that'll keep Thor from being pounded to mush.

thors lightning>>>>>>>>>Storms lightning though

janus77 Banana Genius

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm thinking this: Hulk should not be able to move Mjolnir. Period. Whether it's on the ground or in Thor's hand, it is off-limits to all but the worthy. Ergo, Hulk should not have been able to do what he did. Thor, on the other hand (yeah, pun intended), should still have been able to move--even despite Hulk's grip--because of the hammer's enchantment. Consequently, Thor should've been able to do to Hulk what Hulk did to him.
Now if Hulk had grabbed Thor's hand w/o Mjolnir in it, then I could see Hulk doing the Nelson Thing to Thor face with Thor's fist. But with Mjolnir in hand, Thor should not be handicapped while Hulk would be in the same situation as if he were trying to lift it from the ground.
At least, this is how I would work it, even though, again, I'm much more of a Hulk fan than Thor fan.
Clearly, Odin needs to upgrade the hammer's enchantment from No Lifting to No Moving.

Magneto's moved Mjolnir with magnetism, Surfer's blocked it off temporarily with a little Power Cosmic (didn't put much effort into it, iirc) and of course Rulk outright clobbered Thor with it. I don't think Odin's enchantment is on the Cyttorak levels...

janus77 Banana Genius

Originally posted by Warlord
That was World War Hulk and Storm's firepower should not be compared with Thor's as Thor's lightning is mystically enhanced

doesn't matter, Hulk is not particularly affected by magic.

nor does the strength of Thor's lightning seem all that impressive since it does strike the earth occasionally and doesn't result in much damage.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by nicamarvin
nah....Split 😉

Not really. Even in a pure slugfest Thor takes a (smaller) majority due to finesse and his moderate speed advantage.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so basically you've already made up your mind
you think thor beats hulk
so even if hulk beats thor in comics, then its just PIS

His power set gives him a lot of options that Hulk just can't realistically defeat. In a slugfest Hulk has a decent shot and eventually he will become strong enough to completely outclass Thor physically but even if that happens Thor still has a shot due to his superior skill. The fight shown there was an example of PIS/CIS because Thor fought like a moron and Hulk shouldn't be able to lift the hammer (at least not that easily) let alone use it as a weapon against Thor. Just because its in a comic doesn't mean it should be taken without a few grains of salt. Darkseid begging Superman for quarter after getting his eyes punched close (despite the fact that he had tons of options left that could have kept him in the fight) happened in a comic, doesn't mean it should be taken seriously as a new estimation of Darkseid's power anymore than this instance should be taken as a new estimation of Hulk's power relative to Thor's. Its called PIS for a reason: its stupid.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by janus77
doesn't matter, Hulk is not particularly affected by magic.
nor does the strength of Thor's lightning seem all that impressive since it does strike the earth occasionally and doesn't result in much damage.

Regardless...

... this part is off. Thor's lightning is as strong as he wants it to be. Because it's essentially an electrical discharge, it can flow through and into the ground and not cause physical damage. But it can also cause literal natural disasters, e.g., he's literally created volcanic eruptions to emerge from the ground with his lightning.

janus77 Banana Genius

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Regardless...
... this part is off. Thor's lightning is as strong as he wants it to be. Because it's essentially an electrical discharge, it can flow through and into the ground and not cause physical damage. But it can also cause literal natural disasters, e.g., he's literally created volcanic eruptions to emerge from the ground with his lightning.

I've yet to see Thor demonstrate the finesse you're talking about with the lightning but I have seen Hulk bathed in nuclear blasts that have levelled cities and shattered a planet without taking damage...

I just find the idea that "lightning" can harm or temporarily halt Hulk to be a bit of a reach in much the same manner as Hulk suffocating when he's actually been out on the top of the stoneship all the way back to earth, without any breathing apparatus... 😐

The Pict Defender Of The Faith

IIRC Thor used his lightning and hurt or stun Ego. That's pretty impressive.

DarkOdin Senior Member

Originally posted by janus77
I've yet to see Thor demonstrate the finesse you're talking about with the lightning but I have seen Hulk bathed in nuclear blasts that have levelled cities and shattered a planet without taking damage...
I just find the idea that "lightning" can harm or temporarily halt Hulk to be a bit of a reach in much the same manner as Hulk suffocating when he's actually been out on the top of the stoneship all the way back to earth, without any breathing apparatus... 😐

Thor's lighting can be natural or magical of Thor choose. If Thor's lighting can hurt Ego it can hurt Hulk. Heck we seen Thor cause storms big enough to toss Hulk around. Thor even made a storm in which he could barely managed to stand in. Not to mention who have seen Thor match Hulk in strength for a hour and yet in this comic Thor doesn't have neough strength to keep Hulk from bashing his face in with mjolnir. Thor has always tied hulk in pure strength plenty of time and for most have their match up Thor tends to hold back on hulk anyways

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by janus77
I've yet to see Thor demonstrate the finesse you're talking about with the lightning but I have seen Hulk bathed in nuclear blasts that have levelled cities and shattered a planet without taking damage...
I just find the idea that "lightning" can harm or temporarily halt Hulk to be a bit of a reach in much the same manner as Hulk suffocating when he's actually been out on the top of the stoneship all the way back to earth, without any breathing apparatus...

^ Finesse is just precision and power. Thor has demonstrated both as this comparison shows:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And last, but not least, Thor's able to summon lightning. Here, he does so with pinpoint accuracy to the astonishment of Black Knight, from Thor #390:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir140-Lightning390.jpg
Thor vs Mangog, from Thor #155-57:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog06.jpg