Originally posted by FrothByte
yeah yeah Hulk has unlimited strength. The angrier he gets, the stronger he gets. But does he have unlimited anger? You can only get so angry (bersek, bloodlust, rage, whatever you want to call it) and that's it. you can't get any angrier than your peak berserk when your vision dims and you start seeing black spots. Theoretically, that's where hulk's strength ends. so it has limits after all.but for argument's sake lets say that Hulk does have unlimited strength. unfortunately as far as i've seen, he doesn't get angry as soon as he gets hit. he usually either:
a. gets hit by a street-level character, thinks the hits are puny, gets irritated, then gets angry.
or
b. gets hit by a powerful enough character that can hurt him, gets dazed, shakes the effects off, then gets angry.
my point being, he doesn't instantaneously gets angry and therefore does not instantaneously gets stronger. so if he gets hit hard enough, he gets knocked out before he can get angry enough to get stronger.
so as soon as the bell for round 1 sounds, why can't thor just fly up, bombard hulk with lightning, god force blast him, then fly down and hammer hulk for good measure... all in a span of 20-30 seconds into the fight? hulk will still be at his base strength and will not have enough time to get angry and get stronger. the god force blast on its own should be enough to KO (or kill) him while he's at base strength.
a lot of people may disagree with me, but while everybody may think they're experts on the subject, true experts have already come up with their synopsis of the battle
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10List.htm
and i don't know why we still insist on our own opinions.
You can only get so angry???
I guess it doesn't count for the hulk I mean where do you get the info that hulk can't keep getting angrier???
I mean iff that's the deal for him accept it.
Second you use a list from over 11 years ago???
So after 50 years we should still use that or are you stuck in 1997??
I do however believe that current thor is to much for the current hulk.
Who is the current version is it savage hulk or gray hulk???
Originally posted by Brutacus
You can only get so angry???I guess it doesn't count for the hulk I mean where do you get the info that hulk can't keep getting angrier???
I mean iff that's the deal for him accept it.Second you use a list from over 11 years ago???
So after 50 years we should still use that or are you stuck in 1997??I do however believe that current thor is to much for the current hulk.
Who is the current version is it savage hulk or gray hulk???
Hulk needs something to make him angrier.
If Miek hadn't revealed his actions in WWH, he wouldn't have been able to get stronger.
Originally posted by Brutacus
You can only get so angry???
I mean where do you get the info that hulk can't keep getting angrier???
Logic? Common sense? No such thing as unlimited anger... unless you'll include super anger as part of hulk's powers which means he'll need an incredibly large hypothalamus. Besides, i didn't say he couldn't keep getting angrier. I said that after a point, he'll reach the limit (where you're almost blacked out from anger) and can't get angrier after that.
So what if the list was 11 years old? If i understood the rules of this thread, it's the 616 versions of thor and hulk that we're referring to, which are the versions that that list from 11 yrs ago is using. Sure the two have done a lot of things and have been modified after all these years, but most of the facts that the list states about the two of them still stands true.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Logic? Common sense? No such thing as unlimited anger... unless you'll include super anger as part of hulk's powers which means he'll need an incredibly large hypothalamus. Besides, i didn't say he couldn't keep getting angrier. I said that after a point, he'll reach the limit (where you're almost blacked out from anger) and can't get angrier after that.So what if the list was 11 years old? If i understood the rules of this thread, it's the 616 versions of thor and hulk that we're referring to, which are the versions that that list from 11 yrs ago is using. Sure the two have done a lot of things and have been modified after all these years, but most of the facts that the list states about the two of them still stands true.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Logic? Common sense? No such thing as unlimited anger... unless you'll include super anger as part of hulk's powers which means he'll need an incredibly large hypothalamus. Besides, i didn't say he couldn't keep getting angrier. I said that after a point, he'll reach the limit (where you're almost blacked out from anger) and can't get angrier after that.So what if the list was 11 years old? If i understood the rules of this thread, it's the 616 versions of thor and hulk that we're referring to, which are the versions that that list from 11 yrs ago is using. Sure the two have done a lot of things and have been modified after all these years, but most of the facts that the list states about the two of them still stands true.
Sorry but logic????? Common sense???? Dude you know you are reading a comic book.
All well you try to explain what you need to get angrier, but it's a comic I mean iff it's part of him than it is just how it should be.
And euh sure it's the 616 versions, but a lot can happen in 11 years.
And iff I understand the rules correctly a few months ago we had WWH.
And even thow he might still lose to thor as that version it would be a much more intresting fight.
And heck iff I'm not mistaken the current hulk is the gray hulk again.
Originally posted by Brutacus
Sorry but logic????? Common sense???? Dude you know you are reading a comic book.
All well you try to explain what you need to get angrier, but it's a comic I mean iff it's part of him than it is just how it should be.And euh sure it's the 616 versions, but a lot can happen in 11 years.
And iff I understand the rules correctly a few months ago we had WWH.
And even thow he might still lose to thor as that version it would be a much more intresting fight.
And heck iff I'm not mistaken the current hulk is the gray hulk again.
na current hulks changes back and forth
Originally posted by Brutacus
Sorry but logic????? Common sense???? Dude you know you are reading a comic book.
All well you try to explain what you need to get angrier, but it's a comic I mean iff it's part of him than it is just how it should be.And euh sure it's the 616 versions, but a lot can happen in 11 years.
And iff I understand the rules correctly a few months ago we had WWH.
And even thow he might still lose to thor as that version it would be a much more intresting fight.
And heck iff I'm not mistaken the current hulk is the gray hulk again.
Yes, logic and common sense. The comic book world bends reality and logic, but it doesn't break them. it doesn't convince us that 5+2=24. For example, they have totally unrealistic feats like Flash's speed, but they gave a reason for it (speedforce). They made hulk uber strong, but they gave a reason for it (extra dimensional strength). The comic book world is unrealistic, but it needs to make sense. This isn't looney toons where the toons are able to just do anything they want without a good explanation behind it.
If its true that hulk didn't have an anger cap, and the angrier he gets then the bigger and stronger he gets, then he would have the capacity to grow up to 100ft tall, and eventually become strong enough such that a single hand clap from him could level mountains. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i've never seen him reach such heights of anger. even when he battled juggernaut for hours on end he never became that angry, that strong, or that big. And he had all the time and opportunity to get angry.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, logic and common sense. The comic book world bends reality and logic, but it doesn't break them. it doesn't convince us that 5+2=24. For example, they have totally unrealistic feats like Flash's speed, but they gave a reason for it (speedforce). They made hulk uber strong, but they gave a reason for it (extra dimensional strength). The comic book world is unrealistic, but it needs to make sense. This isn't looney toons where the toons are able to just do anything they want without a good explanation behind it.If its true that hulk didn't have an anger cap, and the angrier he gets then the bigger and stronger he gets, then he would have the capacity to grow up to 100ft tall, and eventually become strong enough such that a single hand clap from him could level mountains. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i've never seen him reach such heights of anger. even when he battled juggernaut for hours on end he never became that angry, that strong, or that big. And he had all the time and opportunity to get angry.
Originally posted by kgkgNo,I disagree. Hulk can hang with Thor either way and take some wins out of ten imo with the hammer. Thor should comfortably take 7 out of ten with his hammer against a normal Hulk.
Hulk can only hang with Thor if he does not have his hammer or Thor holds back 🙂Hulk has potential to k.o Thor sure but if Thor wants to end it quick he can. Hulk does not have that luxury.
Originally posted by quanchi112Even holding back Thor has one shot Hulk and those are his weaker attacks. Like I said Hulk can hang as long as thor lets him which is the case for most Hulk vs Thor fights that has happened.
No,I disagree. Hulk can hang with Thor either way and take some wins out of ten imo with the hammer. Thor should comfortably take 7 out of ten with his hammer against a normal Hulk.
I just don't see that 3 wins without PIS
Originally posted by kgkgI do. Thor isnt that far above Hulk and I dont see where you are getting this from.
Even holding back Thor has one shot Hulk and those are his weaker attacks. Like I said Hulk can hang as long as thor lets him which is the case for most Hulk vs Thor fights that has happened.I just don't see that 3 wins without PIS
Other than bfring him Thor cant just put him down when he wants to.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do. Thor isnt that far above Hulk and I dont see where you are getting this from. Other than bfring him Thor cant just put him down when he wants to.
Considering CIS Hulk might pull 1-2 wins
and BFR is still a victory 😉