Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yea I never saw a peak human being 10x faster than a human, that's a huge amount on that scale, in both running and reaction time. A true superhuman sure, but not a peak/low enhanced. I had this discussion long ago.
Wolverine is a super human but 20 punches in a second is a lot of punches... even for some super humans imo.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So Daredevil runs 100 meters in 1 second. Awesome. I LOVE this conversation.Anything to justify Wolverine throws 25 fully chambered and extended punches in a single second! ermmhappy
Yeah, I didn't say Wolverine could throw 25 punches in a single second....
But, given his on panel speed feats I wouldn't think it's a stretch.
So you can shove your nonsense up your ass for all care.
Wolverine can throw one punch in .038 seconds. It's all Srank said and It's a better speed feat than Beast has to his name, regardless of whatever red herring bullshit argument you want to start here so you can cling to your sad superiority complex.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
while he was amped, the same amping he no longer has, great job there champ.car one the only real imprsive feat he has and wolverine has several feats within the range as well as dirrect comparision between him and beast were he displays superior strength.........
easy beast has never once been suggested in comics as stronger then wolverine, however vice versa has been suggested.
at the end of the day all that matters is that Wolverine reaction and speed is superhuman and far above a real human.
and the comic canon fact that is .038
no amount of straw manning, insults or snide remarks can change the fact that Beast does not have similar nor superior stated feats of his speed.
feat wise Beast just sucks for his power class and being on a team due to not given enough solo time in stories to showcase his powers not like it matter since he is a b list character who gets thrown under a bus for guys like DD, Cap and even spidey back in the day
@Jinzin
do you have the full scans of Wolvie in the Danger room when they measure his beserker range and how fast he took down, Sabe, LDS, shingen and Ogun from insertion?
Originally posted by jinzinYeah, exposing the red herring isn't a red herring argument. And you got personal real fast. How boring.
Yeah, I didn't say Wolverine could throw 25 punches in a single second....But, given his on panel speed feats I wouldn't think it's a stretch.
So you can shove your nonsense up your ass for all care.
Wolverine can throw one punch in .038 seconds. It's all Srank said and It's a better speed feat than Beast has to his name, regardless of whatever red herring bullshit argument you want to start here so you can cling to your sad superiority complex.
Let's put this farce to rest once and for all for all those people who believe... "zomg... why can't a comic character be ten times faster than a human being???" Why can't Cap... a Super-Soldier be 10X as fast as a human? He's more than 10X as strong, right? Hell... he outclasses Daredevil in speed! And even DD is arguably 10X faster than normal humans!!!
So here we go: Cap's best running feat is a mile in just under a minute. Well, he said he could do it anyway. A mile is 1607 meters. That means Cap runs a bit over 25 meters per second. Which means he would run the 100 meter dash in just under 4 seconds.
Usain Bolt ran it in under 10 seconds. So Cap is actually (if you apply true mathematical measure), Cap is only ".4 times faster" than Usain Bolt.
Does that sound right? Cap isn't even "twice as fast" as Usain Bolt? No. Of course not. But that's because the term, "faster," used in comparisons like "Person X is twice as fast as Person Y" isn't actually mathematically accurate at all. It's a figure of speech. It's colloquial. So let's stop trying to justify comic character feat capability through pure mathematical measure extrapolated from the liberal use of colloquial terminology.
Furthermore, let's stop trying to justify Wolverine throwing 25 fully cocked and extended punches in a single second. Because that basically requires you to believe that Daredevil runs 100 meters in one second (which if that doesn't sound absolutely retarded to you), means he's 4X faster than Cap... who already outraced him on-panel.
Originally posted by King CastleHence why I hate feat skewing. Beast has it in him to do the feats, but he doesn't have the popularity and exposure of the megastars, does that mean he can't do it? No.
at the end of the day all that matters is that Wolverine reaction and speed is superhuman and far above a real human.and the comic canon fact that is .038
no amount of straw manning, insults or snide remarks can change the fact that Beast does not have similar nor superior stated feats of his speed.
feat wise Beast just sucks for his power class and being on a team due to not given enough solo time in stories to showcase his powers not like it matter since he is a b list character who gets thrown under a bus for guys like DD, Cap and even spidey back in the day
As for the match, Wolverine takes the majority.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
3x isn't *as* bad, but still it falls in to the "statement" category.Wolverine is a high enhanced/low, low, low superhuman in all areas but healing though.
Going by his feats I would put him around mid. Wolverine has some of the best speed feats in comics (minus flash type people/dbz) regarding combat scenerios. Thor has faced some of the fastest beings in marvel and STRUGGLED to keep pace with Wolverine. Spiderman and Wolverine by far has some of the best combat speed feats imo.
Originally posted by carver9Mid is pushing it in my opinion. He isn't that farther beyond DD in speed or anything except healing. Speed feats are relative and subject to skewing. It is really hard to quantify speed in comics anyways unless it's Flashlike speed.
Going by his feats I would put him around mid. Wolverine has some of the best speed feats in comics (minus flash type people/dbz) regarding combat scenerios. Thor has faced some of the fastest beings in marvel and STRUGGLED to keep pace with Wolverine. Spiderman and Wolverine by far has some of the best combat speed feats imo.
Originally posted by srankmissingninI retract the insinuation over purposely throwing red herrings. I know that's what you sincerely believe. But I explain why I think it's still a red herring, though unintentional.
I'm busy with a project I left until the last minute, but OneDumb and I were talking about fully extended "haymaker" punches, not quick jabs and wu-shu chain punching.
Also, my math is completely retarded. Cap runs 100 meters in just under 4 seconds. Usain Bolt runs it in just under 10 seconds. That means Cap is just over "2 times as fast."
Not ".4 times as fast." Christ.
Anyway, you get the idea. Nobody thinks Cap is just only over 2X as fast as humans. Accordingly, thinking he could legitimately be ten times as fast, doesn't necessarily imply he is mathematically ten times as fast.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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No. Beast doesn't have any class 20 feats, let a lone a class 100 feat. He is class 5-10 Maximum.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Mid is pushing it in my opinion. He isn't that farther beyond DD in speed or anything except healing. Speed feats are relative and subject to skewing. It is really hard to quantify speed in comics anyways unless it's Flashlike speed.
Naah, imo they are about mid looking at feats.
Wolverine has tanked high 100 ton strength his entire career, superhuman speeds (again, some of the best imo if we take out flash, zoom, and othe flash type peeps). That's not even including his claws, admantium hide, senses, high level fighting skills, strength...etc, etc...
What do you mean quantify?
Wolverine along with spidey hand speed is more impressive than most.
Spiderman and wolvy rarely if ever get touched by brick type people.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I retract the insinuation over purposely throwing red herrings. I know that's what you sincerely believe. But I explain why I think it's still a red herring, though unintentional.Also, my math is completely retarded. Cap runs 100 meters in just under 4 seconds. Usain Bolt runs it in just under 10 seconds. That means Cap is just over "2 times as fast."
Not ".4 times as fast." Christ.
Anyway, you get the idea. Nobody thinks Cap is just only over 2X as fast as humans. Accordingly, thinking he could legitimately be ten times as fast, doesn't necessarily imply he is mathematically ten times as fast.
I guess that's true. The difference between winning the 100 meter and not even qualifying is a only fractions of a second...
Now I'm confused about properly quantify what we are a talking about.
Originally posted by srankmissingninMeh. Who really cares. If I agree Wolverine beats Blade, can we be friends? ermmhappy
I guess that's true. The difference between winning the 100 meter and not even qualifying is a only fractions of a second...Now I'm confused about properly quantify what we are a talking about.
Originally posted by carver9Fighting skill has nothing to do with Superhuman stats. Not in that sense.
Naah, imo they are about mid looking at feats.Wolverine has tanked high 100 ton strength his entire career, superhuman speeds (again, some of the best imo if we take out flash, zoom, and othe flash type peeps). That's not even including his claws, admantium hide, senses, high level fighting skills, strength...etc, etc...
What do you mean quantify?
Wolverine along with spidey hand speed is more impressive than most.
Spiderman and wolvy rarely if ever get touched by brick type people.
He's definitely high in healing though.
I mean measure. DD isn't that far behind in speed and DD is only peak.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Meh. Who really cares. If I agree Wolverine beats Blade, can we be friends? ermmhappy
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