GalacticStorm
Smart Alec Know-It-All
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Surfer can be cut off from his powers by energy manipulators 😄
Ive already dealt with this point Whirly yet i see after the tide has changed and the opposition seem to be winning you've decided to repeat it hoping perhaps that everyone had forgotten. Well let me set this straight. It was a high level energy manipulator that shut off SS from his powers Energy supes was very inexperienced with his powers and in fact was learning new abilities every other issue. He is far from that calibre. He would not be able to do the same to SS. It is ridiculous logic. Just because an energy manipulator cut off SS from his powrs does not mean any old energy manipulator could do it. I know you know this but i suspect other factors are in play here which are influencing your posts such as your relationships with other kmc members. 😄
One thing to consider in this battle is the fluctuating and unstable state of energy supes' powers:
It all began in Superman #122 when he blew up a toaster, passed his hand through a coffee pot, and most alarmingly, accidentally hurt an innocent bystander when bullets passed right through him. Another side-effect was that electrical goods went *K-Phut* when he was near them. These problems were soon cleared up thanks to the containment suit.
Things really heated up in The Adventures of Superman #545, when everything went wrong! His whole body started to pass through things, he lost his flight power and his vision powers completely changed. He began to pass through things because he had been knocked out of phase with our reality. In Superman Annual #9, we are told that as Superman Blue he was 100% energy, and was slightly out of phase with the normal reality plane.
By concentrating hard, Superman could solidify himself back to a human state reverting back to Clark Kent (and into the normal reality plane), but then he had NO powers at all. At first when changing back into Clark Kent he had no clothes on, but that wasn't a problem after a while. Although where his clothes went during his phase into Superman was unknown.
At first, Superman, lost his ability to fly. Instead he was able to 'Zap' from place to place. The first time Superman did this was in Action Comics #732, when he traveled to a research station in Antarctica, and then back to Metropolis again. This appeared to be some kind of teleportation. However, he needed to concentrate to be able to get the location for his landing right. In The Adventures of Superman #546, he used this power to travel down a telephone line and into his and Lois' apartment.
Electron Manipulation
This first manifested itself in Action Comics #732 when Superman tried to stop a lorry. A beam of energy, which appeared to be magnetic in nature, shot from his out stretched hand and 'grabbed' the vehicle. In Man of Steel #67 when Clark tried to shave, using his trusty heat vision, he sent himself bouncing around his apartment, leaving all metal objects clinging to the walls. It appeared that Superman could manipulate his electrons to form any power he could think of, just like a Green Lantern Power Ring. Also in MOS #67, Superman used his *Power Punch* for the first time. Using his experience from Action #732, he manipulated the electrons around his fist to produce another 'fist' which he could use to hit out with.
Does this sound like a person who could beat SS? Puh-lease 🙄
Not only that but in Action #732 it states that Energy supes could only travel at light speeds or above after having absorbed additional energy from outside sources.
Here is a list of his weakness:
Excess Radiation Intake - Superman (and his containment suit) had a limit to how much radiation and energy he could absorb. Absorbing too much caused him pain and probably could have killed him (as seen in MOS #67).
Shock Pods acting like Tasers were seen to paralyse Superman in Action Comics #734, basically rendering him powerless.
An Energy Control being (an inhabitant of Kandor) was able to capture and contain Superman in Action Comics #734 using its ability to control all forms of energy it came in contact with.
Disrupter Cannon or similar technology caused Superman's energy form to disperse, which made it very hard for him to reform himself, and therefore he needed to revert to being Clark Kent to carry on. (as seen in Superman Annual #9)
Excessive use of powers - In AOS #549 Superman was seen to be "winded" after flying an elevator full of people out of his burning apartment building using his magnetic grip. He even admitted as much to Jimmy Olsen (pg 14).
Although this also could have been attributed to the fact that flight reduced the effect of Superman's magnetic grip (as seen in Action #738, pages 15 & 16). He had more control when he was standing on solid ground.
Every single one of those weaknesses SS is capable of exploiting. He can generate all the appropriate energy types in the required amounts. Not only that but SS is considerably more adept at energy wielding/ manipulation. Regular supes would stand a better chance than this chump. 🙄