Yoda or Sidious?

Originally posted by Vanquish
Yoda hands down. Only the enviroment of the duel, and a very unlucky fall on Yoda's part saved palp's ass.

The only thing Palps is better then Yoda at is deception, and of course that's true becuase yoda hasen't spent 1 second of his life even trying to decieve anyone.

But force powers, saber dueling, inteligence, combat, and coolness, Yoda takes them all.

Force Powers: Hmmm. Nope. Yoda's NOT superior. He is only in defensive Force powers. Offensively, he gets his ass kicked. Generally, it has been widely stated that Palpatine's Force perception is far greater than Yoda's.

Saber Dueling: Yep. I agree. He is better. But NOT by much. He'd never own Palpatine, that's for sure.

Intelligence: Hell no. No damn contest. Yoda gets owned in this department.

Combat: Yoda's a warrior. Palpatine's a manipulator. I do hope Yoda is superior.

Coolness: I like 'em both.

Sidious is more Powerful period.

Yeah, Sidious all the way dude

Yoda stronger in intelligence dan YOda??????????????????????????? Did u see the¨PT?

wtf?

Anyways, I think Yoda is better. Sidious got him by luck.

Originally posted by muserke
wtf?

Anyways, I think Yoda is better. Sidious got him by luck.

I Agree.

Watch the movie again. I did this morning. Sidious blocks all Yoda attacks, he's as fast as yoda, he can jump around as yoda (Maceduel) He throws like 5 pods with the greatest ease, yoda has to turn them around 3 times to be able to throw the pod and Sidious does it with a handwave, Sidious gets Yoda once with force lightning. (Ok, Yoda force pushes Sidious) and when yoda reflects the force lmightning, he throws himself down. AND WHO RUNS AWAY? Yoda or Sidious?

You tell me what's easier ok. Throwing a piano OUT of a 5 story window and down to the street, or throwing that same piano BACK UP INTO the 5 story window from the ground? Do you understand what gravity is? Palps had the high ground, meaning he only had to slide the pods and get them moving to throw them at Yoda because he was throwing them down. Yoda had to stop it against gravity, and throw it back up at palps. If Yoda was standing where palps was, he would also be able to throw 4 or 5 at once, and palps would struggle to toss back just one.

Didn't you see AOTC? Dooku made the roof fall down on Anakin and Obi wan very easily, but Yoda had to put his saber away and use a lot of force power to stop it from falling on them. Are you saying that Dooku's force powers are far superior to Yoda's also?

GRAVITY !!! it does exist in star wars you know.

BTW: Yoda was backing palps up in the saber fight the whole time, and palps quickly exited from the saber battle and made it a battle of force powers. He goes to his strengths which is force power, and avoids his weakness which is saber combat. Yoda was superior with saber, thats why palps wanted no part of a saber fight. That's why, in a sealed closed empty room, Yoda owns palps.

Ah, Yoda fans. But ur right with that gravity thing. But watch ROTS again u'll see Sidious is better with da lightsaber

I could watch it a hundred times, and it won't change the fact that Yoda is a better swordsmen then Palps. I never said palps is bad. He obviously disposed of those other 3 Jedi's pretty fast, but he isn't on Yoda's level. Yoda is on a level completely his own when it comes to saber combat. Nobody can touch him. Look at AOTC and ROTS, he barely even bothers to block in them. Nobody even came remotely close to threatening a hit, so he doesn't even have to block. He can simply move away from the hits. He is the best swordsmen in the galaxy. Has been for about 800 years...

Jango Fat hit the nail on the head....

WHO RAN AWAY.

Yoda is a feeble little turd, could´t finish Dooku off aniken did, he held Anniken back from his true potential + lied to Luke because he was scared they´d become more powerfull than him. He ran away from Sidious for no reason, coward!! in such a situation you have to be brave and take on the enemy agaisnt the odds like Luke did against Vader and Sidious. Yoda is dark, fear, distrust, envy ...etc

Even though it's been said a million times before, I'll say it again for the reading impaired. Yoda didn't run from the duel, he clearly got unlucky there. He tossed palps lightning right back at him with his bare hand and they both got sent flying backwards. Palps was just lucky that when he fell, there was something to fall on. Yoda didn't have that, and he fell. After he fell, it was too far to get back to palps quickly. He would have had to climb all the way back up there, or go find an elevator to get back there. Also, he knew there were stromtroopers up there now, so even if it was possible to climb his way back up to fight more, he would have had to fight clone troopers and palps at the same time. Hardly fair, considering Yoda knows that palps is at least close to him in power, if not equals. Yoda isn't stupid. He wouldn't commit suicide for no reason. He made a decision to leave and train someone else who will eventually be in position to finish the job.

But he certainly didn't "run" from the duel. If anything, palps has a default LOSS in the duel because he was the one that called for back up. The second he asked his troopers for help, I feel he is admitting that he can't beat Yoda by himself. So who really lost? The one that fought the whole time on his own, or the one that needed his clone troopers to help him in the end?

He ran away in the sewers

Troopers arrive 5346465464615864641614 billions years AFTER yoda ran. And WHERE do you see palp calling for the clones? So much you can imagine that the fat blue guy call them but you can't be sure of that also. Yes, yoda did the right thing. Live to fight another day, but yes he DID run away. He could have been killed but not by the troopers. There were six troopers on the pod. informing sidious that they didn't find yoda. Do you think that those 6 were a match or even last long enough with yoda?

Never underestimate the power of the dark side

The point is, the troopers had been alerted and sent to find Yoda. It doesn't matter that we only saw 6. Logic tells us that there are many many more in other rooms, on other levels, scowering the area trying to find him. Do you really think they had to show all the troopers so we could count how many there were? I think it's enough to just show the number that they did, and palps saying find him. That shows that the duel is now not one on one anymore, and couldn't be one on one anymore.

Also, yes Yoda could probably take out several clone troopers and an opponent with a saber at the same time. But palps isn't just any opponent. In order for Yoda to beat palps, he would have to focus 100% on him. If Yoda went back and fought palps and a dozen or so troopers at the same time, palps would have used that to his advantage and he would have won. Yoda is slightly stronger, but it has to be one on one for him to win the fight. And at that point, one on one was impossible. So Yoda left.

He didn't run, he didn't flee, he wasen't scared. He simply made a choice not to fight an uneven battle and die. He made the right choice and because of that choice, the jedi's win the war in the end. Yoda is the man... Someone like Windu probably would have made the stupid choice, and would have died. Yoda is the wisest and strongest of the Jedi's, and he proved it right there.

Originally posted by Vanquish
The point is, the troopers had been alerted and sent to find Yoda. It doesn't matter that we only saw 6. Logic tells us that there are many many more in other rooms, on other levels, scowering the area trying to find him. Do you really think they had to show all the troopers so we could count how many there were? I think it's enough to just show the number that they did, and palps saying find him. That shows that the duel is now not one on one anymore, and couldn't be one on one anymore.

Also, yes Yoda could probably take out several clone troopers and an opponent with a saber at the same time. But palps isn't just any opponent. In order for Yoda to beat palps, he would have to focus 100% on him. If Yoda went back and fought palps and a dozen or so troopers at the same time, palps would have used that to his advantage and he would have won. Yoda is slightly stronger, but it has to be one on one for him to win the fight. And at that point, one on one was impossible. So Yoda left.

He didn't run, he didn't flee, he wasen't scared. He simply made a choice not to fight an uneven battle and die. He made the right choice and because of that choice, the jedi's win the war in the end. Yoda is the man... Someone like Windu probably would have made the stupid choice, and would have died. Yoda is the wisest and strongest of the Jedi's, and he proved it right there.

I agree with this part except for the thing about Mace. Mace may be arrogant but hopefully he's not that stupid. Yoda also lost his lightsaber during the fight which would make it even harder for him to fight Sids again.

Originally posted by Vanquish
I could watch it a hundred times, and it won't change the fact that Yoda is a better swordsmen then Palps. I never said palps is bad. He obviously disposed of those other 3 Jedi's pretty fast, but he isn't on Yoda's level. Yoda is on a level completely his own when it comes to saber combat. Nobody can touch him. Look at AOTC and ROTS, he barely even bothers to block in them. Nobody even came remotely close to threatening a hit, so he doesn't even have to block. He can simply move away from the hits. He is the best swordsmen in the galaxy. Has been for about 800 years...

Im sorry, but i still dont get where you see that Yoda is that much better then sids in saber combat. the duel was even.

at no point did anyone give during thier saber duel.

now, we've had are differences about this issue, but you need to realise that yoda is not invincible.

just because you love Yoda so much doesn't make you right, nor does it allow you to use opinions based on nothing, as fact.

sorry man...

if Yoda was as good as you said, that much better then everyone else as you seem to think. Yoda would have beat palpatine and been done with it.

fact is, he didnt.

they are equal.

but Sids won the day. thats it.

Originally posted by Vanquish
Even though it's been said a million times before, I'll say it again for the reading impaired. Yoda didn't run from the duel, he clearly got unlucky there. He tossed palps lightning right back at him with his bare hand and they both got sent flying backwards. Palps was just lucky that when he fell, there was something to fall on. Yoda didn't have that, and he fell. After he fell, it was too far to get back to palps quickly. He would have had to climb all the way back up there, or go find an elevator to get back there. Also, he knew there were stromtroopers up there now, so even if it was possible to climb his way back up to fight more, he would have had to fight clone troopers and palps at the same time. Hardly fair, considering Yoda knows that palps is at least close to him in power, if not equals. Yoda isn't stupid. He wouldn't commit suicide for no reason. He made a decision to leave and train someone else who will eventually be in position to finish the job.

But he certainly didn't "run" from the duel. If anything, palps has a default LOSS in the duel because he was the one that called for back up. The second he asked his troopers for help, I feel he is admitting that he can't beat Yoda by himself. So who really lost? The one that fought the whole time on his own, or the one that needed his clone troopers to help him in the end?

Yet a barley trained padawan took on both sith at the same time...

Luke had balls, Yoda ran.

i have to say it again, blatant defending of something like the fact that Yoda ran, and saying he didnt, is just dumb...

he ran.... WE SEE HIM RUNNING AWAY

and for some reason palps calling for backup means he lost? wtf?

im pretty sure Yoda would have ran long before the clones got there, otherwise palps would have kept fighting.

YODA! LOST!

THAT IS ALL!

It's no use, Anomally... some people just don't have the mental capacity to decipher what is blatantly and clearly shown on the screen.

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