I took my friend to see Star Wars today. So, I'm refreshed in memory about the duel.
Yoda entered the office and incapacitated the Red Guard. He then engaged in banter with Palpatine. Palpatine then raised his hands and fired off a stream of Force lightning. Yoda quickly tried to block it, but was overpowered by Palpatine's attack. Yoda was sent flying, and hit the wall. He was then rendered temporarily unconscious.
Mas Amedda - who many people said called the Clones - left in NO hurry. You'd think that if it's like some people have said, if Mas went to go help his boss, he would've ran off to go call in support. He walked out of the room in no hurry to summon support. Palpatine lingered behind and gloated to Yoda. Yoda woke up, slowly got up, and then Force pushed Palpatine. Palpatine flew over his desk and was knocked over the chair.
Palpatine was already on his feet a few moments later, though he was surprised at Yoda's power and endurance. Now. Clearly we know Mas Amedda did NOT call the clones - as logic dictates. He left the room in a lethargic pace. Now. Clearly also, Yoda does not recover as easily as Palpatine does. The biggest factor of all is that Palpatine achieved his overall goal. Domination of the entire galaxy and the Sith supremecy. Yoda is very powerful. So if you were in Palpatine's shoes, why stay and duke it out with a powerful Jedi Master when you have finally achieved the goal you waited DECADES to put into motion.
Like Palpatine said at the Galaxies Opera. THOSE WHO GAIN POWER ARE AFRAID TO LOSE IT!!!! Palpatine is no exception. So he did what every other cowardly - yet powerful and manipulative dictator does. He tried to flee. Yoda blocked him.
Fishy has said that it was Palpatine looking to kill Yoda and not the other way around. There was only person with murderous intent at the time of this duel. And that would be Yoda. Yoda drew his lightsaber. Palpatine did the same after telling Yoda that "You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us."
They engaged in a lightsaber fight. Yoda was on the offensive, and Palpatine was on the defensive. Yet neither bested the other. NEITHER bested the OTHER. NEITHER. As in NONE of the two. But you could tell from the fight that Yoda was more confidant in this duel, as well as his experience in combat.
Palpatine led the fight back to the Senate podium. He and Yoda exchanged thrusts and parries - and continued to fight off one another's attacks. As the podium rose into the Senate chamber - Palpatine and Yoda leapt onto a few pods and continued to fight, and still, neither bested the other.
Palpatine then tried to throw various Senate pods at Yoda. He threw two and three at a time. Yoda managed to dodge all of these. But not with ease. Finally, using all of his power (you could see the effort on his face) Yoda repelled it back to Palpatine. Palpatine, in shock, didn't stop the pod, but jumped from it. Like Yoda did.
Yoda tried to follow and pulled out his lightsaber. Palpatine blasted it from his hands with a bout of lightning. Then Palpatine fired lightning more - in a current. He moved closer to Yoda, and Yoda moved back. The effort on Yoda's face - as well as Palpatine's - was pure evident. Palpatine's lightning was coming out in a high magnitude, and it strained him. Yoda was having a hell of a time holding the lightning at bay, and at first, looked more fatigued of the two.
Finally, Yoda used his strength and reflected it back at Palpatine. But the blast worked two ways. The blasted knocked Palpatine over the edge of the pod, but he managed to cling on. Yoda was sent flying (he weighed less and didn't control the lightning as Palpatine did) and flew farther. Weakened from the effort of repulsing Palpatine's lightning, his grip faltered and he fell.
Palpatine laughed - but was in a similar predicament - hanging from a ledge as well. Yoda knew that both he and Palpatine were too tired to combat the other - as well as the fact that the fall must have hurt him as well. So he fled the building. When he reached Bail Organa, he lamented on his failure.
"Failed, I have."
Whether he is admitting that he lost the fight is speculation. I believe it was that he failed to kill Palpatine. His overall goal. Palpatine would be better prepared if Yoda ever returned. Both fought to a standstill. Yoda survived and so did Palpatine. But Yoda's goals weren't reached whereas Palpatine's were.
Neither LOST. But Yoda failed. Again. This is not insulting him or saying he was weaker. But he himself said he failed.
There ya go. An unbiased walkthrough of the Palpatine vs Yoda duel.
Thank you, a much shorter, version of what I said earlier.
only I didnt do a walk through of the duel 😛
anyways, we can debate all we want, as I said in my long but well thought out post before.
Yoda's Goal = Kill palpatine
Palpatines Goal = Kill Yoda (preferably)
To live so he can rule his new empire. (primary)
palpatine achieved his primary goal and Yoda did not. Yoda lost.
in respect to power, They are equal, in respect to saber combat, they are equal.
AND as I've said many times.
although they are equal, Palpatine won when it mattered, Yoda did not.
Originally posted by Vanquish
You tell me what's easier ok. Throwing a piano OUT of a 5 story window and down to the street, or throwing that same piano BACK UP INTO the 5 story window from the ground? Do you understand what gravity is? Palps had the high ground, meaning he only had to slide the pods and get them moving to throw them at Yoda because he was throwing them down. Yoda had to stop it against gravity, and throw it back up at palps. If Yoda was standing where palps was, he would also be able to throw 4 or 5 at once, and palps would struggle to toss back just one.
You seem to neglect the fact that Sidious took 3 to 4 pods at the same time and rise them above him from under to shoot them shortly after. Thus he fight gravity too in the same way that Yoda. For the rest bable speculations from a fanboy.
I love the hippocracy in here. First off, devil dodo saying I don't have the mental capacity and blah blah. Dude, I could mentally destroy you in a heartbeat. I've read all your posts in the past several weeks, and come to the conclusion that you must be 12 years old. I GUARANTEE you i'm not the only one in the forum that thinks that also. In fact, if I concentrate hard enough, I can probably make your puny brain explode LOL. You are a joke on the forum, so please stfu when trying to insult someone who is obviously miles more inteligent then you. I never insulted any of you, so please do me the same courtesy. Peace DD.
And Anomaly, although I do agree that your opinions are valid, and some good points backing up what you think, what we have here is a simple disagreement. I don't get why you think you are 100% right, and that I am just a stupid fan boy with no facts to back up anything. All you have is an opinion, nothing more, just like me. Neither is RIGHT. We are simply debating because there aren't any facts about such things. Nobody knows the truth other the GL, and until he comes out and tells us all that palps is definitely stronger, i'm going to just trust what I saw in the movie, and what I feel to be true about star wars and the Jedi / Sith dynamic. There is no right and wrong in an argument WITH NO DEFINITIVE answer. Do you get that? There is no right and wrong when debating god, or abortion, or capital punishment, OR YODA AND PALPS' strength. It's just an interesting debate.
So if you want to continue with an inteligent debate, we can do that. I have several more points to make. But if you are just going to go with the primitive "you have no facts and are a stupid fanboy arguments" I won't bother. I'd rather save them for someone with the capacity to think beyond that.
Yoda is stronger 🙂
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Thank you, a much shorter, version of what I said earlier.only I didnt do a walk through of the duel 😛
anyways, we can debate all we want, as I said in my long but well thought out post before.
Yoda's Goal = Kill palpatine
Palpatines Goal = Kill Yoda (preferably)
To live so he can rule his new empire. (primary)palpatine achieved his primary goal and Yoda did not. Yoda lost.
in respect to power, They are equal, in respect to saber combat, they are equal.
AND as I've said many times.
although they are equal, Palpatine won when it mattered, Yoda did not.
Exactly. WHEN IT MATTERED. When I say that yoda loses and run off, I don't mean he's a coward. He just saw he couldn't go again for the same fight. He knew he was tired. He could imagine Sidious was too but, he couldn't be sure of that so he left the building. Sidious wins because he has everything he wanted. of course it would be better if every jedi were killed but, having just one or two lost in the galaxy it wouldn't matter. He wins because he achieved 80% of his goal (being the other 20% yoda and ben) yoda didn't achieved nothing and almost got killed in the process.
Oh i'm certainly not of the opinion that Yoda won the fight. He clearly did not. I am only saying that it was an even draw because they both lived, and that I feel Yoda is stronger and would win a fight if it was longer. That's it. Him leaving the scene, and him saying he failed doesn't weigh at all into my opinion. I feel his leaving is perfectly justified, and is not the same as fleeing. And him saying he failed is justified, and not the same at all as him saying he lost.
Much like the Dooku and Yoda fight. It was a draw because they both lived. I don't see how anyone could say either of them "won" the fight. How did they win? They both lived, and neither one was hurt in the duel. I just happen to think that Yoda would kick Dooku's ass if the fight was longer, and that Yoda is clearly superior to Dooku.
Same as the Yoda / Palps fight. It was an even draw. They both lived, and neither one of them were hurt or tired in it. Yoda fell yes, but he's not hurt. He got hit with lightning, but it didn't effect him long term. Palps got blasted over his chair and into the wall, but it didn't effect him long term. I don't think either were hurt or tired at all.
The duel just simply ended prematurely. The debate I am having is who would win if it continued. I'm certainly not going to debate who won and lost because neither did.
BTW though, OF COURSE palps wanted to kill Yoda. Saying that wasen't his goal is absolutely rediculous. Actually, it is far more likely that palps wanted to kill Yoda far more then Yoda wanted to kill palps. Remember, Jedi's on the level of Yoda, don't kill unless they have to. Siths like palps kill for fun. Of course palps wanted Yoda dead, and he failed to do that. Does that mean he lost? no. Failure and losing aren't the same thing...
And Anomaly, although I do agree that your opinions are valid, and some good points backing up what you think, what we have here is a simple disagreement. I don't get why you think you are 100% right, and that I am just a stupid fan boy with no facts to back up anything. All you have is an opinion, nothing more, just like me. Neither is RIGHT. We are simply debating because there aren't any facts about such things. Nobody knows the truth other the GL, and until he comes out and tells us all that palps is definitely stronger, i'm going to just trust what I saw in the movie, and what I feel to be true about star wars and the Jedi / Sith dynamic. There is no right and wrong in an argument WITH NO DEFINITIVE answer. Do you get that? There is no right and wrong when debating god, or abortion, or capital punishment, OR YODA AND PALPS' strength. It's just an interesting debate.So if you want to continue with an inteligent debate, we can do that. I have several more points to make. But if you are just going to go with the primitive "you have no facts and are a stupid fanboy arguments" I won't bother. I'd rather save them for someone with the capacity to think beyond that.
Yoda is stronger
Ok, but you just are saying "yoda was obviously better then Palpatine with a saber"
and giving nothing to back it up, give me a point in thier fight or a moment where Yoda was definitively better then Im fine with it.
I give reasons and examples to everything I say, so In effect im more right because I give an example to an opinion I have to back it up.
and the fact is that nowhere during thier saber duel was either definitively better. so they are equal.
BTW though, OF COURSE palps wanted to kill Yoda. Saying that wasen't his goal is absolutely rediculous. Actually, it is far more likely that palps wanted to kill Yoda far more then Yoda wanted to kill palps. Remember, Jedi's on the level of Yoda, don't kill unless they have to. Siths like palps kill for fun. Of course palps wanted Yoda dead, and he failed to do that. Does that mean he lost? no. Failure and losing aren't the same thing...
No, Palpatines PREFERRED goal was to kill Yoda. But his main goal was not to die. lol
and he didnt.
Saying Yoda wasn't there to kill palps is just well...stupid, what else was Yoda there to do.
he said himself "Destroy the sith, we must!" what else does that mean?
plus, he cant beat him then arrest him or something, its palps empire, arresting him wouldn't work too well.
Yoda was there to kill palpatine.
You cant argue that he was not.
I was just watching Eps III and noticed something with this fight that makes the "gravity" argument for Yoda pointless.
after palps throws the first wave of pods at yoda he lifts 3 pods around him, upwards much higher then he is (against gravity) with absolutly no difficulty whatsoever.
with 1 hand and what appears to be no effort he does what it took Yoda like 15 seconds to do, and yoda was only lifting 1 pod. palps was lifting 3 plus moving the one he was standing on.
intresting....