You actually read it? Good thing I didn't put in a huge spoiler like I was thinking about. Do you dare look at this one too?
Spoiler:
They freeze Dr Doom with a fire hydrant after Human Flamer heats him up to supernova with a shield protecting the surroundings produced by the Invisible Woman. Powerfulone1987, I'm going to laugh if you read this.
Originally posted by Myth
You actually read it? Good thing I didn't put in a huge spoiler like I was thinking about. Do you dare look at this one too?Spoiler:
They freeze Dr Doom with a fire hydrant after Human Flamer heats him up to supernova with a shield protecting the surroundings produced by the Invisible Woman. Powerfulone1987, I'm going to laugh if you read this.
I read the first two words and stopped. You need to stop playing with me like that.
Curiosity killed the cat.
Batman begins was better then Fantastic 4, but they are sort of totally different movies....I mean batman begins was much more serious than F4, F4 was lighthearted and for the family kind of movie....all in all i liked both...im nto a harsh critic of movies if they keep me entertained theyre good in my book....people need to stop taking them so seriously I mean in the end its just a movie......
I love the fact that people say Batman Begins was faithful to the comic yet nowhere in the comic do I remember Batman driveing a vehicles that looks like it was borrowed from Mad Max.
In a broader sense what I felt was wrong with BB was its design an cinematography. The batmobile if it can be called that was horrendeus. Gotham looked more like a Fritz Langing Metropolis or minature Curascant then a modern town like New York(the basis for the comic Gotham). Then their were the fights and I don't know what I can say that hasn't already been said about them, but I'll try. They were so poorly filmed that it slammed me right out of the movie and destroyed my suspension of disbelief it was like watching the Bourne Supremecy all over again. I wanted to strangle the cinematographer, director, editor or who ever the hell was responsible for what was passed off as fight scenes. It might be okay in other movies, but this is freaking Batman. The lack of decent fights made the whole movie rather anti-climactic.
As to the idea that it gave us anything new about his past etc. It did only in the sense that we got to see him make his suit and gear. His actual orgin story had already been shown in the other Batman movies.
The cast was good, but it felt much like the cast from the other Batman movies to many big name/good actors and not enough time to do anything with them. How many lines did Ken Watanabe get? 3?. Morgan Freeman was only slightly better.
Back to the way it was shot/scripted/edited. It had serious pacing issues. It'd go huge spells with practicaly nothing happening. You'd get a brief action sequence and then nothing until the end. And at that point it doesn't matter because the audience is bored silly after two hours of terrible fights scenes anda rehash of historical data we learned in the last 4 Batman movies.
All in all it was about as good as Batman and Batman Returns or even Batman Forever. On the upside it was Better then Batman and Robin.
On the subject of The Fantastic Four. It was a lot of fun. It served its purpose as entertainment. And didn't take itself to seriously.
Because honestly folks how serious can a comic movie be with out be cheesy and melodramatic. The fact is if a real person tried to do what Batman does they'd be dead in under a week. That's what a serious, realistic Batman movie would be a wack job in a cap getting shot and spending years in a psyche ward.
You make some good points and you have a cool name welcone to the comics section😄
Originally posted by Nightstick
I love the fact that people say Batman Begins was faithful to the comic yet nowhere in the comic do I remember Batman driveing a vehicles that looks like it was borrowed from Mad Max.In a broader sense what I felt was wrong with BB was its design an cinematography. The batmobile if it can be called that was horrendeus. Gotham looked more like a Fritz Langing Metropolis or minature Curascant then a modern town like New York(the basis for the comic Gotham). Then their were the fights and I don't know what I can say that hasn't already been said about them, but I'll try. They were so poorly filmed that it slammed me right out of the movie and destroyed my suspension of disbelief it was like watching the Bourne Supremecy all over again. I wanted to strangle the cinematographer, director, editor or who ever the hell was responsible for what was passed off as fight scenes. It might be okay in other movies, but this is freaking Batman. The lack of decent fights made the whole movie rather anti-climactic.
As to the idea that it gave us anything new about his past etc. It did only in the sense that we got to see him make his suit and gear. His actual orgin story had already been shown in the other Batman movies.
The cast was good, but it felt much like the cast from the other Batman movies to many big name/good actors and not enough time to do anything with them. How many lines did Ken Watanabe get? 3?. Morgan Freeman was only slightly better.
Back to the way it was shot/scripted/edited. It had serious pacing issues. It'd go huge spells with practicaly nothing happening. You'd get a brief action sequence and then nothing until the end. And at that point it doesn't matter because the audience is bored silly after two hours of terrible fights scenes anda rehash of historical data we learned in the last 4 Batman movies.
All in all it was about as good as Batman and Batman Returns or even Batman Forever. On the upside it was Better then Batman and Robin.
On the subject of The Fantastic Four. It was a lot of fun. It served its purpose as entertainment. And didn't take itself to seriously.
Because honestly folks how serious can a comic movie be with out be cheesy and melodramatic. The fact is if a real person tried to do what Batman does they'd be dead in under a week. That's what a serious, realistic Batman movie would be a wack job in a cap getting shot and spending years in a psyche ward.
Originally posted by Nightstick
Then their were the fights and I don't know what I can say that hasn't already been said about them, but I'll try. They were so poorly filmed that it slammed me right out of the movie and destroyed my suspension of disbelief it was like watching the Bourne Supremecy all over again. I wanted to strangle the cinematographer, director, editor or who ever the hell was responsible for what was passed off as fight scenes. It might be okay in other movies, but this is freaking Batman. The lack of decent fights made the whole movie rather anti-climactic.
I don't know what got into thier heads when it came to shooting the fight scenes. It's overly edited, therefore looking rather chopped-up into bits that flash by so quickly that the audience couldn't actually SEE what was going on. And another problem, I noticed, was how they framed their shots from the waist up: we don't get the full clarity and glory of a wide-shot so that we can see the entire figure in action (like in the full-figure shots of the carefully staged Star War's fights between Annikan and Obiwan for example). The action is so poorly staged.
It may be possible that the original uncut footage of the fights with the bulky costumed didn't look good (the costume may have slowed the actors movements and made him look rather clumsy) so that may be the reason for the over-editing: to hide that the outfit looks clumsy and slowed down the actor in the fight scenes.
It's Sort of what Spielberg did to correct the flaws to the almost in-operative mechanical shark in Jaws: he edited the mechanical shark into very short footage with the live footage shark to not only give the illusion of it being one shark, but also to cut down the screen time of the fake-looking shark so that it didn't constantly interfere with the visual believability.
If that bulky costume in BB did interfere with the look, the action, and the speed of the fight scenes and its believability, then I can see why the director and editor will compensate for it by editing and shooting scenes in a different way. But it didn't work.
Btw I liked the beginning and end parts of BB. The middle part seemed like a convoluted plot to me.
Originally posted by Nightstick
I love the fact that people say Batman Begins was faithful to the comic yet nowhere in the comic do I remember Batman driveing a vehicles that looks like it was borrowed from Mad Max.In a broader sense what I felt was wrong with BB was its design an cinematography. The batmobile if it can be called that was horrendeus. Gotham looked more like a Fritz Langing Metropolis or minature Curascant then a modern town like New York(the basis for the comic Gotham). Then their were the fights and I don't know what I can say that hasn't already been said about them, but I'll try. They were so poorly filmed that it slammed me right out of the movie and destroyed my suspension of disbelief it was like watching the Bourne Supremecy all over again. I wanted to strangle the cinematographer, director, editor or who ever the hell was responsible for what was passed off as fight scenes. It might be okay in other movies, but this is freaking Batman. The lack of decent fights made the whole movie rather anti-climactic.
As to the idea that it gave us anything new about his past etc. It did only in the sense that we got to see him make his suit and gear. His actual orgin story had already been shown in the other Batman movies.
The cast was good, but it felt much like the cast from the other Batman movies to many big name/good actors and not enough time to do anything with them. How many lines did Ken Watanabe get? 3?. Morgan Freeman was only slightly better.
Back to the way it was shot/scripted/edited. It had serious pacing issues. It'd go huge spells with practicaly nothing happening. You'd get a brief action sequence and then nothing until the end. And at that point it doesn't matter because the audience is bored silly after two hours of terrible fights scenes anda rehash of historical data we learned in the last 4 Batman movies.
All in all it was about as good as Batman and Batman Returns or even Batman Forever. On the upside it was Better then Batman and Robin.
On the subject of The Fantastic Four. It was a lot of fun. It served its purpose as entertainment. And didn't take itself to seriously.
Because honestly folks how serious can a comic movie be with out be cheesy and melodramatic. The fact is if a real person tried to do what Batman does they'd be dead in under a week. That's what a serious, realistic Batman movie would be a wack job in a cap getting shot and spending years in a psyche ward.
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I'm glad to see someone else saw through this movie. You should copy and paste that in here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4449680#post4449680
or one of the other many Batman Begins Review threads.
But that's NOT the point. The point is the essence of Batman was captured.
Although I could argue that it the essence of Batman is only captured to a certain extent.
The main reason I say that is the train scene:
"Oh, I'm Batman, I won't kill you, but I'm not going to save you, either."
What gets me here is that the FF fans will tear into the BB fight scenes and then after going on and on about why they hated BB, they justify FF by saying "On the subject of The Fantastic Four. It was a lot of fun. It served its purpose as entertainment. And didn't take itself to seriously." First of all, I translate that as "It was mindless special effects and the movie makes a joke of itself." BB was serious but it was more of a serious comic in the first place. FF is not as serious of a comic but the movie was constant corny jokes. It would have died if it didn't have things like "You're hot" "Thank you, so are you." The stupid jokes were the only thing that made people stay in the movie. Now on the topic of the fights, FF fans have no right to complain about BB fights. FF only had ONE fight and it sucked. Even FF fans don't say that FF had better fights, they justify their argument against BB by using Star Wars, not the movie actually being compared. Why? Because FF fights can't compare. You don't like the choreography? And apparently FF had great choreography 🙄 [Enter Thing] "It's clobbering time!" [One punch]. I know that is what FF is like but is that a good thing? And you say BB is anti-climatic? The whole city goes nuts! In FF
Spoiler:I'm sorry, its not much of an argument when your only defense for your own movie is "Its not suppose to be serious." Just for the record, FF tries on a couple occasions to be serious and fails miserably. Look at all three relationships that have no chemistry and fall flat (Alba and Doom, Alba and Mr. F, Thing and blind chick). The only character worth giving a damn about in the whole movie is The Thing.
they head to the streets and end the fight so fast by all of a sudden heating him in a protected shield. "Wow, we froze him for the time being."
Yeah, yeah... if you dissect both movies down, then Batman Begins is better. If you analyze piece by piece, then yeah... BB wins.
The point, for me anyway, is that I was more entertained by FF. BB was a good movie yes, but it was a *bit* boring. The movie moved a little slowly. And no matter what reason anyone gives for the movie to be like that, it won't change the fact that I was kind of bored during a lot of the movie. Now, don't get me wrong, as a whole I liked Batman Begins. I just thought the transition from Bruce Wayne to Batman took too long.
FF, although the story was less compelling, I was entertained through most of the movie.
So, do you see what I'm saying? Even though BB was the better movie in terms of analyzing, I was more entertained when I sat down and watched the film FF than when I sat down and watched BB.
The thing about the fight scenes is that BB fight scenes were annoying. No, FF fight scenes weren't perfect, but at least they weren't annoying.
But the most annoying thing of all about BB is how defensive people get over it. I swear, some people act like it is wrong to say something bad about it. It is a movie for goodness sake.
Not that anyone here is like that, but I'm serious, people will jump down your throat for saying anything bad about the movie.
I understand your position. What I was saying with my last post was not as much of an annoyance with the movie FF (although I did find it annoying), but it was more of an annoyance with the way some people have argued for FF. You are simply saying that you liked the light-heartedness of the movie, which is fine. I was referring to the people who will disect BB but then turn around and disregard any disection of their movie because "it wasn't suppose to be serious." Its sort of hypocritical for people to analyze BB but refuse to do the same for their own favorite of the two. Don't worry, from what I'm seeing (at least on this page), you are not doing that.
Btw: "FF fight scenes weren't perfect, but at least they weren't annoying. " Thats a matter of opinion (as is much else in this), but IMO it was annoying and had no choreographed fights, just special effects to replace actual fighting.
I posted this an FF thread in the movie forumn..but they closed it...😖ad:..anyway..this is my opinion..reposted...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Just saw the FF at the movies...and I have to say....that I freaking...LOVED IT. What the hell were the critics smokin? Seriously...the movie was by far one of the best comic book movies I've seen in the past couple of years...it was definately better then the first Spider Man and X men movies, which were way overrated..and to be honest with you...not all that great.FF was quite a refreshing change from the typical, dark, gritty and brooding superhero genres that seem to be flooding the movie market as of late...I don't want to mention anynames, but many of these Dark Gritty movies that were highly acclaimed weren't all that great(erheeem...Batman Begins)
And the special effects were very good. Better than all previous Marvel Movies(this includes X-Men, Spider-Man, Hulk, and Blade). My only gripe with the movie was that the plot line was a bit weak, however, it was far from horrible..in fact..it actually had a lot more dept to it then both Spider Man movies..which..well..let me not even get into that...
The biggest reason why this movie seems to be getting beaten down so hard by the critics is because..well it's already been done..unfortunately
Disney pretty much stole FF's thunder with that horrible FF rip of..."The Incredibles"...Why didn't Marvel sue Disney's asses off for this blatant rip?!!!Anyway what did you all think about the Movie?
note* I'm not a fanboy or a studio plant..it really was a damb good movie!!! The theater was packed..and myself and many other audience members really seemed to enjoy it...