Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer.

DM cannot lose here.
Here is his defense.
He doesn't need a body (avatar) at all to exist and can reform one at will. He can multiple himself many times over and grow in size.
He can become intangible and not even be touched by Surfer.
His reflexes are probably infinite since he is always seeing through time and also he has witness events on a quantum level so fast that it can be said not to occurred at all (planck time?).

As far as offense.
He could probably teleport Surfer's head off.
He can multiply himself a million times and fight Surfer. For each body Surfer destroys DM creates a hundred more. He can grow to giant portions as well.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So how does he actually kill him? That would require multi versal destruction.

It would require multi-versal destruction? Nope..I don't know where you got that idea from. When did DM survive anything on that level? He never survived anything close to that.

To put this in perspective, Silver Surfer is a gnat compared to Galactus, and even Galactus does not require multi-versal levels of power to kill. So you are essentially saying you feel DM is a cosmic approaching the likes of the Living Tribunal and such entities.

Originally posted by h1a8
DM cannot lose here.
Here is his defense.
He doesn't need a body (avatar) at all to exist and can reform one at will. He can multiple himself many times over and grow in size.
He can become intangible and not even be touched by Surfer.
His reflexes are probably infinite since he is always seeing through time and also he has witness events on a quantum level so fast that it can be said not to occurred at all (planck time?).

As far as offense.
He could probably teleport Surfer's head off.
He can multiply himself a million times and fight Surfer. For each body Surfer destroys DM creates a hundred more. He can grow to giant portions as well.

Which comic issues did Doctor Manhattan do any of the things you suggested. Specifically things like..turning into a million copies and showing infinite reflexes and all that. Where does that happen? Note I am not asking you which comic DM claimed he could do these things, I'm asking for the comics where he actually did them. Show me feats of him hurting beings as durable as Silver Surfer. Show me feats of him showing energy manipulation sufficient enough to destroy planets.

Originally posted by Surtur
Which comic issues did Doctor Manhattan do any of the things you suggested. Specifically things like..turning into a million copies and showing infinite reflexes and all that. Where does that happen? Note I am not asking you which comic DM claimed he could do these things, I'm asking for the comics where he actually did them. Show me feats of him hurting beings as durable as Silver Surfer. Show me feats of him showing energy manipulation sufficient enough to destroy planets.

I don't understand. You don't believe DM can do what exactly?

Originally posted by Surtur
Which comic issues did Doctor Manhattan do any of the things you suggested. Specifically things like..turning into a million copies and showing infinite reflexes and all that. Where does that happen? Note I am not asking you which comic DM claimed he could do these things, I'm asking for the comics where he actually did them. Show me feats of him hurting beings as durable as Silver Surfer. Show me feats of him showing energy manipulation sufficient enough to destroy planets.

That's because they don't exist. He's only been shown on panel with at most three dupes. He had no speed feats and his time travel wasn't linear, no could he alter the prime universe. Iirc after Voidt incident he can no longer time travel and he's lost his precog

Originally posted by h1a8
DM cannot lose here.
Here is his defense.
He doesn't need a body (avatar) at all to exist and can reform one at will. He can multiple himself many times over and grow in size.
He can become intangible and not even be touched by Surfer.
His reflexes are probably infinite since he is always seeing through time and also he has witness events on a quantum level so fast that it can be said not to occurred at all (planck time?).

As far as offense.
He could probably teleport Surfer's head off.
He can multiply himself a million times and fight Surfer. For each body Surfer destroys DM creates a hundred more. He can grow to giant portions as well.

Originally posted by Surtur
It would require multi-versal destruction? Nope..I don't know where you got that idea from. When did DM survive anything on that level? He never survived anything close to that.

To put this in perspective, Silver Surfer is a gnat compared to Galactus, and even Galactus does not require multi-versal levels of power to kill. So you are essentially saying you feel DM is a cosmic approaching the likes of the Living Tribunal and such entities.

So SS kills the avatar. DM can exist without his avatar. Like I said he is merged with the multi versal quantum field.

Exactly what can surfer do but destroy his avatar?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's because they don't exist. He's only been shown on panel with at most three dupes. He had no speed feats and his time travel wasn't linear, no could he alter the prime universe. Iirc after Voidt incident he can no longer time travel and he's lost his precog

His power was exploited by Voidt to create a huge tachyone burst that limited his future seeing ability. Nothing more..

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Curing cancer and bringing back the dead arent relevant in a versus forum match. That's like saying being a good mom and honest Christian will help me win my next mma match. He was not MULTIVERSAL. Let's get that clear. He could only travel between the point of his creation and the future. And every divergent timeline he created earth dies. For all his supposed "omnipotence", he couldn't alter events. He also could only stop about half of the nukes shot by the Soviets to usa. Scrub

Are you saying surfer could have stopped them all?

The event never took place so its a hypothetical event

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
His power was exploited by Voidt to create a huge tachyone burst that limited his future seeing ability. Nothing more..

But he can't change the past, he said so himself. All that happens is that he creates an alternate universe where he chooses a different path. The original still happens.

Does anyone have scans of Doctor doing anything that has been mentioned here?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he can't change the past, he said so himself. All that happens is that he creates an alternate universe where he chooses a different path. The original still happens.

I never said he could change the past.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
His power was exploited by Voidt to create a huge tachyone burst that limited his future seeing ability. Nothing more..

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Are you saying surfer could have stopped them all?

The event never took place so its a hypothetical event

10,000 nukes?

That's nothing. DM could make a million copies of himself. That's, like, 1,000 DMs for every nuke.

Good to see you're not dead.

His power never returned to previous levels after Voidt

Maybe if we take vampirism into account...

Originally posted by carver9
Does anyone have scans of Doctor doing anything that has been mentioned here?

Scans of what? He's done nothing

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he can't change the past, he said so himself. All that happens is that he creates an alternate universe where he chooses a different path. The original still happens.

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually he can manipulate the past.
This is why Voidt use tachyon field to prevent DM from doing that.
DM also changed the past when he manipulated Laurie 90 seconds into the past.

'In this new united timeline, whatever I have done in the future is done. The decisions are made and cannot be changed. They are as irrevocable as the choices I made in the past' (emphasis mine)

Irrevocable: Not able to be changed, reversed or recovered; final.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

'In this new united timeline, whatever I have done in the future is done. The decisions are made and cannot be changed. [b]They are as irrevocable as the choices I made in the past' (emphasis mine)

Irrevocable: Not able to be changed, reversed or recovered; final. [/B]

Exactly