Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer.

I would like to know, why members consider Dr. Manhattan closer to being a Universal Force (Galactus level), then a top tier (say a Herald).

Originally posted by darthgoober

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Eh. Live 'n' learn. 😉

Can we please make a Dr Manhattan respect thread, this ignorance is to much to bare. Oh and Dr M destroys Surfer 10/10. Digi me and you should make a respect thread or me and whoever is interested.

Originally posted by sexyking
Can we please make a Dr Manhattan respect thread, this ignorance is to much to bare. Oh and Dr M destroys Surfer 10/10. Digi me and you should make a respect thread or me and whoever is interested.

Originally posted by sexyking
Can we please make a Dr Manhattan respect thread, this ignorance is to much to bare. Oh and Dr M destroys Surfer 10/10. Digi me and you should make a respect thread or me and whoever is interested.

I seriously want to know why Dr. Manhattan would destroy Silver Surfer. He seems to be the equivalent of New Sun or Solar (from the Gold Key era).

Originally posted by KK the Great
"Surfer has moar of teh feets!"

Of course he does. Manhattan is from a twelve issue mini-series that couldn't have been less about "feats" if it tried, and the other is a forty year old superhero who is almost entirely about feats.

I .. agree with this.

You have to find a reason to justify, why X character is greater then Y character. One way, is analyzing his abilities (data), the other is stacking what they have shown (feat).

So far none of the Pro-Dr. Manhattan have given any justification as to why he is superior. Can somebody point out, something that I missed, or have forgotten from the 12 issue series?

Originally posted by id369
You have to find a reason to justify, why X character is greater then Y character. One way, is analyzing his abilities (data), the other is stacking what they have shown (feat).

So far none of the Pro-Dr. Manhattan have given any justification as to why he is superior. Can somebody point out, something that I missed, or have forgotten from the 12 issue series?

Dr Manhattan was a half-desent matter manipulator. The only reason he's thought of as an "uber god" is that he was the only superhuman on the planet, where other "super"heroes were not higher than Nightwing level.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I .. agree with this.

Why agree with it? Someone like the Hunger has virtually no feats, but he would wipe the floor with Dr. Manhattan.

6 pages and still no reason was posted why Dr. Manhattan would win besides people wanting him to. 😐

Originally posted by KK the Great
Not at all.

I can talk down to an entire forum because that is the only way to talk to something which is beneath me.

I can safely ignore you because, let's face it, you've been given ample opportunity to demonstrate that you're someone worth taking seriously and have fallen well short of acceptable limits.

You also took one sentence from digimark and ignored the rest of his post. I really thought better of you(not much) before this display.

At least try to debate because flaming gets rather old very quickly. Wouldnt you agree?

Originally posted by Mindset
6 pages and still no reason was posted why Dr. Manhattan would win besides people wanting him to. 😐

Exactly.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Why agree with it? Someone like the Hunger has virtually no feats, but he would wipe the floor with Dr. Manhattan.

Read what he wrote again.

And try to understand it this time.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Read what he wrote again.

And try to understand it this time.

Ah, I get it. 😮

👆

With that said, imo, Dr Manhattan shouldn't really be included in vs matches.

Originally posted by Mindship
If only he'd thought of this back in FF#72...coulda avoided that whole nasty sonic shark business.

Eh. Live 'n' learn. 😉

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Not that the Sonic Shark has any particular bearing on this fight, I've just been looking for a reason to post that since I came across it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
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sigh, again, y is this being discussed? manhattan is a GOD and exists simultaneously in the future as well as the past, knowing the ultimate fate of everything. what can surfer do to even harm him?

surfer is not skyfather, dr manhattan is at least skyfather, dr manhattan was always reluctant to use his powers, if he went all out surfer is going down hard

Originally posted by leonheartmm
sigh, again, y is this being discussed? manhattan is a GOD and exists simultaneously in the future as well as the past, knowing the ultimate fate of everything. what can surfer do to even harm him?

Also DM wasn't an actual time Master he just had the unique ability to exist at anytime in his timeline. He had absolutely never demonstrated any power over time or any knowledge of time on anything he was not in contact with.

And at no point was it implied he knew the fate of everything. As he said before and I'll reiterate "We are all puppets I'm just a puppet that can see the strings."

Not to mention Ozymandis already messed with his supposed time based abilities anyway when he introduced Tachyons into the equation. 😬

As to what Surfer can do to harm him.

Surfer has a vast amount of abilities that DM has never encountered before. Such as

Power Absorbtion

Power Negation

Mental attacks

Power Disruption

Plus level of energy control DM has never faced before.