Originally posted by leonheartmmWhere to begin.
lol "i can see the strings". he exists simltaneously in quantum time. he is AWARE of the future but unable to change it, or havent you been paying attention. he beleives in predetermination PRECICELY because his knowledge goes so far that he himself is aware of what HE is going to do in the future, becoming a prisoner of his own power. the tachyons make it harder for him to keep linked with other incarnations of himself in the future and the past, but it doesnt cut it altogether. also he can instantly teleport himself and other over galactis distance. infact HE doesnt even exist as a bosy, he constituted the body of his will, he has no actual physical or even energetic form at all, he is just existing with the universe. i wud easily put him at a godly{and NOT mythological skyfther type gods} level. surfer is nuthing to him. infact the entire actions of humanity past present and future seemed insignificant to him, hence his isolation and non reaction to events which seemed major on earth like the assasination of kennedy, which he knew wud happen but did nuthing to stop. also, his perfect clairvoyance wud give him complete knowledge of surfer and his powers.
Umm none of this actually helps your case
I've already made mention that DM doesn't have a body and is simply a consciousness. It doesn't change the fact Surfer has defeated similar styled characters before. That don't exist as a bodied form.
Secondly the Tachyons basically high light the very fact you guys have been unable to comprehend or unwillingly to admit. That is despite all his supposed power you guys are granting him his powers have been shown to have limits and are capable of being effected.
Secondly it was never hinted at that it was his belief that he couldn't change the future. It was however shown numerous times he couldn't change the future. Hence the one actual time he tried when the girl "convinced" him to do something he tried and failed. As was the case with when the Comedian killed the girl. Or when he failed to stop the assassination.
In the book it was never demonstrated as a point he wouldn't in fact as stated above the opposite was true in that he couldn't.
I think that about covers it.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerAre you honestly asking whether the Surfer has the ability to create something that normal human machines can duplicate?
Does Surfer have the ability to create/emit tachyons?
Of course he has the ability, messing with tidbits of energy and matter are one of his things after all.
Originally posted by Newjak
Are you honestly asking whether the Surfer has the ability to create something that normal human machines can duplicate?Of course he has the ability, messing with tidbits of energy and matter are one of his things after all.
But if he doesn't, he's dead.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerSS has this thing Cosmic Awareness, maybe you've heard of it before.
That is, assuming that Surfer knows about this weakness.But if he doesn't, he's dead.
But short hand basically he can look a person and know their weaknesses. As he has demonstrated in the past.
But unto a another point that is being overlooked. It isn't just that Tachyons are his only weakness to exploit. It was the only one shown. It proves his powers and mind are not absolute nor are they restricted from being tampered with.
Therefore there is basis for me to say that the things I have listed can effect him.
At the very least you've gotta admit there is more evidence that Surfer could mess with his powers then him not being able to.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
When/where was it stated that surfer can see the past, present and future??At least provide some scans or tell us what issue.
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6102/fantfour26107hs3.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2269/silversurferv3138p06ma7.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9039/silversurfer199713120fw1.jpg
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
When/where was it stated that surfer can see the past, present and future??At least provide some scans or tell us what issue.
Here he reels time from present to past..
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6102/fantfour26107hs3.jpg
Then there is this; from the biggening to the end yet unable to do anything about it, kinda like DM..
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9039/silversurfer199713120fw1.jpg
All in the RP thread..
Originally posted by Ambient
It happened in FF4; showed Ben past/future event to fallow, it was when Alicia disappeared...Here he reels time from present to past..
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6102/fantfour26107hs3.jpg
Then there is this; from the biggening to the end yet unable to do anything about it, kinda like DM..
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9039/silversurfer199713120fw1.jpg
All in the RP thread..
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Dr Manhattan was a half-desent matter manipulator. The only reason he's thought of as an "uber god" is that he was the only superhuman on the planet, where other "super"heroes were not higher than Nightwing level.
The reason he's though of as an "uber god" is because it is blatantly obvious that Alan Moore intended for him to be thought of as one.
It's like God in the Bible. Comparing feats, you'd be hard pressed to convince the average fanboy that his favorite character is weaker than God. Most fanboys have at least one reference which they believe is equivalent to or greater than creating a single universe--and certainly the universe as it was in the Bible, which essentially meant Earth at the center with little dots of light in the sky. Many fanboys will come straight out and argue that their favorite character has created one, two, or several universes/dimensions/what have you, even if it requires some very creative interpretation. Beyond the creation in Genesis, what are God's feats?
Causing a flood?
Turning people to salt?
The loser is weak against iron, for crying out loud.
He should barely stand up to rutog's Storm on this board.
Originally posted by KK the Great
The reason he's though of as an "uber god" is because [b]it is blatantly obvious that Alan Moore intended for him to be thought of as one.It's like God in the Bible. Comparing feats, you'd be hard pressed to convince the average fanboy that his favorite character is weaker than God. Most fanboys have at least one reference which they believe is equivalent to or greater than creating a single universe--and certainly the universe as it was in the Bible, which essentially meant Earth at the center with little dots of light in the sky. Many fanboys will come straight out and argue that their favorite character has created one, two, or several universes/dimensions/what have you, even if it requires some very creative interpretation. Beyond the creation in Genesis, what are God's feats?
Causing a flood?
Turning people to salt?
The loser is weak against iron, for crying out loud.
He should barely stand up to rutog's Storm on this board. [/B]
Which could be one of the many reason's that we're not allowed to use the Biblical God in vs threads here in the Comic Forum(though you ARE downplaying some of the less obvious of the Biblical God's feats). See things are debated by certain criteria here in the vs Forum and if people consistently refuse to follow that criteria in regards to a certain person/character/being then it's best to not discuss them at all because all it does is cause bickering between people who disagree on the fundamentals of the debate itself. Hell the whole reason Anime isn't allowed is because of the inherent differences between the way it and comics are gauged cause nothing but trouble.
