The Americans are Englands Friends

I get sick of reading people slag off America on this forum. I am no George Bush fan but dammit, In England we share a set of values with many nations and we do have a "special" relationship with the US.
Yesterday I wondered if I had lost my brother, due to the events in London. I do not believe all Muslims are evil, I do not believe they should be persecuted. I do believe America is England's friend and I do believe that no global conspiracies caused the explosion yesterday outside of a mad group of fanatics wishing to attack the shared values of all decent people world wide. Do you believe the US and Britain are friends as I do?

No. The two countries aren't friends. The two governments aren't friends. Two citizens of both countries aren't friends.

They are two countries who have things that the other country want, and that it's beneficial for both to be allies. More so for America.

Can't afford to fight each other, no reason to fight each other. No particular reason to team up other than the reasons stated above.

Americans tend to appreciate England because of the difference from their own, newer, less heritaged country. The difference running parallel alongside the similarities is where the attraction and fascination lies. If we had everything the same, it wouldn't be any kind of special relationship.

I get sick of reading people claiming we're holding hands as countries when you should know full well that if we said "No" to America, we'd have no help from them if we ever needed it again.

To believe otherwise is naive.

-AC

Yeah, it's not like America was supplying the IRA the same explosives that bombed my home town or anything 🙄

Of course America have their own agenda, and we have ours. We don't need to fight, and we appreciate each others support, but we ain't necessarily looking out for each other as much as people believe.

I like England.

Red, I've missed your humor and I like the signature 🙂.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No. The two countries aren't friends. The two governments aren't friends. Two citizens of both countries aren't friends.

They are two countries who have things that the other country want, and that it's beneficial for both to be allies. More so for America.

Can't afford to fight each other, no reason to fight each other. No particular reason to team up other than the reasons stated above.

Americans tend to appreciate England because of the difference from their own, newer, less heritaged country. The difference running parallel alongside the similarities is where the attraction and fascination lies. If we had everything the same, it wouldn't be any kind of special relationship.

I get sick of reading people claiming we're holding hands as countries when you should know full well that if we said "No" to America, we'd have no help from them if we ever needed it again.

To believe otherwise is naive.

-AC

I have friends in England. So you're wrong.

In the bigger scheme of things, on global politics scale, there has never really been the room for friendship. Yes, two nations can be close, but it more a mutual respect/need kind of situation. Allies and all.

Still, the relationship between the U.S and England is good, though people can (maybe even justifiably) level accusations that this is only because England has been so "supportive" of U.S policy of late. Still, doesn't show friendship, merely that the two nations have a reasonably good, if in some cases one sided, working relationship.

Originally posted by KidRock
I have friends in England. So you're wrong.

No I'm not.

Read the post.

-AC

"My first thought when I heard - just on a personal basis, when I heard there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were really in the tank, I thought, 'Hmmm, time to buy.'"
- Fox News's Brit Hume, 7/7/05

someone i care about almost died....
I'd like to liberate Brit Hume's face from his teeth.

I love the United Kingdom.

"Two citizens of both countries aren't friends."

I'm sorry but I think THAT is naive.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No I'm not.

Read the post.

-AC

"Two citizens of both countries aren't friends."

I am a citizen of the U.S...and my friend is a citizen of England, and we are friends. Like I said, you are wrong.

No, I'm not.

If you look at the context in which I said it, I was speaking collectively.

I spoke collectively of the countries, the governments and the citizens.

Not singularly. Of course there are friendships. But that's not one voice throughout our nations.

We all don't love America and Americans, just like America and Americans don't ALL love Brits and Britain.

So no, I wasn't wrong. Unless you can prove that every citizen of both our countries love each other.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, I'm not.

If you look at the context in which I said it, I was speaking collectively.

I spoke collectively of the countries, the governments and the citizens.

Not singularly. Of course there are friendships. But that's not one voice throughout our nations.

We all don't love America and Americans, just like America and Americans don't ALL love Brits and Britain.

So no, I wasn't wrong. Unless you can prove that every citizen of both our countries love each other.

-AC

Well that's a hasty generalization.

Is it an untrue one?

You're going to actually claim that every citizen of both our countries, loves the other and its citizens?

Because we both know that isn't true.

Am I denying that people can be friends with citizens of their respective countries? Of course not. I have American friends. Hasty generalisation is saying "The Americans are England's friends".

-AC

geez, doesn't anyone else want to beat the shit out of brit hume for saying that?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, I'm not.

If you look at the context in which I said it, I was speaking collectively.

I spoke collectively of the countries, the governments and the citizens.

Not singularly. Of course there are friendships. But that's not one voice throughout our nations.

We all don't love America and Americans, just like America and Americans don't ALL love Brits and Britain.

So no, I wasn't wrong. Unless you can prove that every citizen of both our countries love each other.

-AC

You're wrong in the context of which you said it. IF you said "generally" then it would have been correct, but you specificly said "Two citizens of both counties w/e w/e". So you may be right in what you were thinking, but the way you put it was wrong. But there is no point in argueing it.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
geez, doesn't anyone else want to beat the shit out of brit hume for saying that?

Well to be honest I really didn'T understand what he meant......

he's saying "gee, people are dying, let's buy stock and profit fromt it"

ie. he's what people hate about america, and the conservative upper class in general. and with my friend being in london that day and all...well, I ****in' hate him and fox news even more now.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
he's saying "gee, people are dying, let's buy stock and profit fromt it"

ie. he's what people hate about america, and the conservative upper class in general. and with my friend being in london that day and all...well, I ****in' hate him and fox news even more now.

Hmm you are right...not a very nice thing to say.....

Originally posted by KidRock
You're wrong in the context of which you said it. IF you said "generally" then it would have been correct, but you specificly said "Two citizens of both counties w/e w/e". So you may be right in what you were thinking, but the way you put it was wrong. But there is no point in argueing it.

Well considering you're putting it into a context that you want, not the context I said it in, I think you're being a bit silly.

Coz I'm right, you're wrong. You misinterpreted without asking what it was I meant.

Pshaw.

-AC

AC> I know it can be fustrating when you make a long post, try to explain your points and views, and someone does NOT or does not WANT to get it, and in one sentence proves with all certainty their inability to grasp a context...
I'd leave it be. You'll not be able to explain your point, and someone clearly does not WANT to get it...

Whitlysplat> I "believe" the Bush-administration and Blair-government have a mutually beneficial agreement.