The Americans are Englands Friends

Started by whirlysplat5 pages

I believe as peoples, ignore the Governments for a minute, we have generally shared values, and as such are friends.

We're not though are we?

There are transatlantic friendships and even relationships but it's not as though every citizen of both countries is friends with the other. To believe such is just idealist.

If it makes you feel safer thinking that America are watching our back because they like us, then fluff your pillow and continue sleeping. They're not, sorry.

As for shared values, just because there's a few similarities, I fail to see how we generally share values. Besides the obvious ones that "we" share with everyone else.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not though are we?

There are transatlantic friendships and even relationships but it's not as though every citizen of both countries is friends with the other. To believe such is just idealist.

If it makes you feel safer thinking that America are watching our back because they like us, then fluff your pillow and continue sleeping. They're not, sorry.

As for shared values, just because there's a few similarities, I fail to see how we generally share values. Besides the obvious ones that "we" share with everyone else.

-AC

Thats not what I said and yes economically we are often rivals, America is the most pervasive culture on Earth. Yes, being there allies serves us (it also serves them). Ridiculous as it is we spend a great deal on weapons etc. (actually its not that ridiculous as we still engage in piracy).
Actually I think our relationship with the US is the cause of the bombings this week, so no that doesn't make me sleep at night. Do we have shared values? Are we often mutually supportive on moral grounds? I would say yes. Are America going to reduce emmisions? probably not!
Are we friends despite all this? Yup! you bet!

Keep the faith😄

Stay Whirly 🤘

So, all that to agree with my post, only to end with one line that you just self-disputed.

Yes...

-AC

I didn't self dispute, people read simplicity into a more complex question.
You can be rivals and still friends based on shared values.
Your friends can also get you in trouble😄

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🙂

We're not friends though.

Just allies.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not friends though.

Just allies.

-AC

I disagree, I think allies with shared values are intrinsically friends.
Friends can get you in trouble, and friends can fall out!

Hmmm. But would the majority of the nations, if asked in a survey, really say "we are friends"? I have a feeling the majority would say "We don't really know, they don't really have an impact on our lives, I don't really think about that, they are useful etc" Friendship is a personal thing, beyond a point it ceases to become that on moves more onto things like mutual respect, mutual need, indifference etc.

There are transatlantic friendships and even relationships but it's not as though every citizen of both countries is friends with the other. To believe such is just idealist.
Think that post sums it up pretty well actually, I dont think you get any closer to the truth.

Yeah I say America and England are friends.If I go to England i'm not afraid of the Brits holding me hostage and killing me.Now not all Europeans like Americans,but that's just the way it goes.That's true of people everywhere.

If I go to England i'm not afraid of the Brits holding me hostage and killing me.
well they probably wont do that, they might show open contempt for you though just because you are an American

Originally posted by finti
well they probably wont do that, they might show open contempt for you though just because you are an American

Some would.But it wouldn't be like American!Get him!I think most the bashing would be towards Bush,rather than me.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Some would.But it wouldn't be like American!Get him!I think most the bashing would be towards Bush,rather than me.

But than syou are friends with every western country....heck with most countries there are not a lot of countries you have t fear to get taken as hostage just cause you are american.

I am a friend of english people!! In England, from England and yeah

Some would.But it wouldn't be like American!Get him!I think most the bashing would be towards Bush,rather than me.
no the contempt be aimed at you

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not though are we?

There are transatlantic friendships and even relationships but it's not as though every citizen of both countries is friends with the other. To believe such is just idealist.

-AC

Thats a rather naive argument.. I mean are YOU personally friends with EVERYONE in your own country? Of course not..

I understand that many Britains are incredibly upset right now (even before the bombings) due to our current administration and I for one dont blame you a bit.. I cant stand this President either..

But that does not negate the fact that our two countries are in fact allies (i really hate that word now) and i would say friends as well..

And I have friends in UK as well.. many in fact.. like alot of people here, so your generalizations really hold no water. I know you are upset about the bombings and my deepest sympathies to ALL of the UK in regard to this.. so i am taking your previous (venomous) posts with that in mind hoping that it is your emotions talking.. The PEOPLE of America (f*ck the govt) are very much with you in terms of feeling really horrible at so senseless an act as these bombings .. I just hope you realize that there is a vast difference in the people of the USA and the government and that most of us are good people who want nothing more than for ALL of this violence to end...

bilb: so u r saying the English people are mad at Americans cuz they think WE (americans) caused the bombings?

Originally posted by Lunas#1FAN
bilb: so u r saying the English people are mad at Americans cuz they think WE (americans) caused the bombings?

Well probably more your government

oh okay. Me, a little kidde don't understand these things

I think too many people get into conspiricy theories.The bottom line is people are dead.If theirs credible evidence for them then good,people will belive.If not they won't.