Class 100 Royal Rumble, How strong are theses Guys

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Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Considering the fact that Savage Hulk is way stronger than the Professor Hulk, that really isn't any comparison. Savage Hulk has beat up on all of the Avengers from time to time. Thanos is smarter, faster, and more powerful than Hulk. Hulk, however, is much stronger. Thanos said himself that he dreaded getting into a fist fight with Savage Hulk.

If you're gonna say Thanos is stronger because he beat Professor Hulk, why not put Doc Ock up there too? Thanos's feats of strength are nowhere near as impressive as Savage Hulk's. He isn't stronger.

Are you saying Savage hulk is stronger than Thanos

Or he can get stronger than Thanos?

Originally posted by kgkg
Are you saying Savage hulk is stronger than Thanos

Or he can get stronger than Thanos?

I'm not really aware of how strong Thanos is, but I've never seen him do anything that would prove he's stronger than Savage Hulk. Savage Hulk has the strength to move tectonic plates, even while at his so called "base."

If Thanos is indeed stronger, I have no doubt that Hulk could exceed him.

"Considering the fact that Savage Hulk is way stronger than the Professor Hulk, that really isn't any comparison. "

Savage doesnt start stronger than prof. He can get stronger yes.

"Savage Hulk has beat up on all of the Avengers from time to time"

Never the strongest of them at the same time.

"Thanos said himself that he dreaded getting into a fist fight with Savage Hulk."

And who would happily go figthing against the Hulk? Herc is one of the few who takes them as sports. Thanos doesnt, hes all bussiness.

"If you're gonna say Thanos is stronger because he beat Professor Hulk, why not put Doc Ock up there too?"

Hes stronger not because he beat professor but stronger because he beat Prof and immortal Herc and Thor and Thing at the same time and took it like a routine match. The guy has a rep pre powerup and after that consists in beating easilly guys that alone give Savage Hulk a fight.

Originally posted by olympian
"Considering the fact that Savage Hulk is way stronger than the Professor Hulk, that really isn't any comparison. "

Savage doesnt start stronger than prof. He can get stronger yes.

"Savage Hulk has beat up on all of the Avengers from time to time"

Never the strongest of them at the same time.

"Thanos said himself that he dreaded getting into a fist fight with Savage Hulk."

And who would happily go figthing against the Hulk? Herc is one of the few who takes them as sports. Thanos doesnt, hes all bussiness.

"If you're gonna say Thanos is stronger because he beat Professor Hulk, why not put Doc Ock up there too?"

Hes stronger not because he beat professor but stronger because he beat Prof and immortal Herc and Thor and Thing at the same time and took it like a routine match. The guy has a rep pre powerup and after that consists in beating easilly guys that alone give Savage Hulk a fight.

Actually, Savage starts off way stronger than Prof, and he's way more durable. Prof is only more intelligent.

I only see Thanos attacking Thing and Professor in your scan. Thor is sneaking up on him, and Herc is approaching him from the front. How would I know the difference between "Full-God" Hercules and "Half-God Hercules" (or whatever.) Is it just a conveniencey factor?

Thanos isn't a physical guy. He has strength, but he rarely uses it. Beating up on Thing and the Professor doesn't prove he's stronger than Savage Hulk. Fights aren't all about strength. If they were, Hulk would be damn near undefeatable. Can you show me Thanos lifting more than Hulk?

"Actually, Savage starts off way stronger than Prof, and he's way more durable. Prof is only more intelligent."

So Savage starts already above the 100 class types? Thats what Prof is.

"I only see Thanos attacking Thing and Professor in your scan. Thor is sneaking up on him, and Herc is approaching him from the front"

The text says theyr all attacking. Thor and Herc joined seconds later and wanted a piece of him. He was already smacking two. why would the other two stop? The fact Thor is swinging his hammer and Herc is getting close wouldnt suggest they attacked or tried. Thanos saying that none wer stronger than him while he was facing them supports it.

"Thanos isn't a physical guy. He has strength, but he rarely uses it"

He isent no. But he uses alot. Sluged out with a clone of his as powerful and won, Beat Silver surfer like he was a kid. Beat thor and Thing at the same time. Beat prof Hulk and Herc at the same time. Trown aside Drax like he was another Kid. Pimpslapped Hulk and Drax at the same time Etc. Hes a combo of prep, Strenght and Durability.

"Fights aren't all about strength. If they were, Hulk would be damn near undefeatable."

Even with just strengh he wouldnt be. Neither Thor or others.

"Beating up on Thing and the Professor doesn't prove he's stronger than Savage Hulk"

Its reather how easy he beat them. Like a workout. Hulk never had this easy against any of those 3 alone.

"Can you show me Thanos lifting more than Hulk?"

His strengh shows by combat comparation not lifting feats. Like Black Adam to Superman and Cap Marvel at DC.

Originally posted by olympian
"Actually, Savage starts off way stronger than Prof, and he's way more durable. Prof is only more intelligent."

So Savage starts already above the 100 class types? Thats what Prof is.

"I only see Thanos attacking Thing and Professor in your scan. Thor is sneaking up on him, and Herc is approaching him from the front"

The text says theyr all attacking. Thor and Herc joined seconds later and wanted a piece of him. He was already smacking two. why would the other two stop? The fact Thor is swinging his hammer and Herc is getting close wouldnt suggest they attacked or tried. Thanos saying that none wer stronger than him while he was facing them supports it.

"Thanos isn't a physical guy. He has strength, but he rarely uses it"

He isent no. But he uses alot. Sluged out with a clone of his as powerful and won, Beat Silver surfer like he was a kid. Beat thor and Thing at the same time. Beat prof Hulk and Herc at the same time. Trown aside Drax like he was another Kid. Pimpslapped Hulk and Drax at the same time Etc. Hes a combo of prep, Strenght and Durability.

"Fights aren't all about strength. If they were, Hulk would be damn near undefeatable."

Even with just strengh he wouldnt be. Neither Thor or others.

"Beating up on Thing and the Professor doesn't prove he's stronger than Savage Hulk"

Its reather how easy he beat them. Like a workout. Hulk never had this easy against any of those 3 alone.

Yes, Savage starts off at, or above the level of the Professor, Thor, Herc, etc.

Thanos beat Champ with the Infinity Power Gem. Does that mean Thanos was stronger than Champ? Of course not. Thanos has never fought Savage Hulk and proved that he's stronger, he's never physically outmatched anyone who's stronger than Hulk, and he's never had a feat of strength that surpasses Hulk's. On what grounds does your argument stand?

Hulk has had it easy against Thing all along. He's beaten Thor into a bloody mess, and the same goes for Hercules. The Hulk's strength is limitless. If battles were won by physical strength alone, nothing short of Galactus would stop Hulk.

I'd still like to know how it's possible to differentiate 'Full-God' Hercules from 'Half-God' Hercules.

"Yes, Savage starts off at, or above the level of the Professor, Thor, Herc, etc."

Then how come he never beat Herc? Or Thor. Mind you this is a genuine question....

"Thanos beat Champ with the Infinity Power Gem. Does that mean Thanos was stronger than Champ? Of course not"

Of course we also dont know if Hulk is stronger than Champ.

"Hulk has had it easy against Thing all along. He's beaten Thor into a bloody mess, and the same goes for Hercules."

WIth Thing while he always won he always had a fight. And he sure never won with 2 or 3 shots. Beaten Thor? Where. Hercules? Yes, depowered.

I still stand. Hulk never beat any of those and the ones he did wer not easiy.

"and he's never had a feat of strength that surpasses Hulk's. On what grounds does your argument stand?"

Combat showings. If you are strong to figh someone like Hulk - toe to toe- and make short work of him even as professor you have at least to be in his class.

"I'd still like to know how it's possible to differentiate 'Full-God' Hercules from 'Half-God' Hercules"

Mortal hercules its weaker in every aspect. No immortality, no superhuman stamina, no durability and less strenght. Full God in comics is what Classic Hercules is.

Does it really matter who's stronger out of Thanos and Savage Hulk? Id guess that Thanos is stronger than Savage Hulk until he angers even more and then obviously hulk would ventually surpass Thanos in strength. But then Thanos couldempower himself with his cosmic energies so id say he could go toe to toe with Savage hulk and match him in power for a very long time.

So who has fought against Savage hulk? Surely Thor, Herc or Thing have? I bet he didnt beat them as easily as Thanos beat Thor, Herc, Prof and Thing at the same time? Obviously Hulk would eventually get stronger than Thanos so why the arguing why cant both sides admit that? If you did then this would be over lol.

Anyway regardless of who is stronger Savage Hulk would not beat Thanos in a fight. He would get slaughtered.

After the success of K3vil thread about Class 100 strength i have put together this new system. A bit sadd i know but, as a lot of people have already guessed i am obssesed with comic strength levels . SO tell me what you think. I know it is long but its worth the read.

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Recently people on this forum have tried to address the problems of the Marvel strength level system. The marvel handbook has received much criticism as many of the characters have been seen performing feats of strength outside their assigned levels. Also there is much confusion surrounding the class 100 strength level .

This strength rating system that can be applied to characters throughout the many comic universes. Using much of the information provided by the OMHB (the official Marvel handbook) and other sources, I have been able to construct an accurate system which allows readers and viewers throughout the world to see how their favourite characters would stead physically against other popular characters from separate universes. (E.G Superman vs. the Hulk ).

The system has been divided into 10 different categories, each of which is divided by clear parameters. Due to inconsistency with writers these levels are separated by clear guidelines rather than numerical values. (E.G level eight is not separated by nine by a bench pressing limit in tons). This system prevents physical restrictions and allows the characters to perform a wide range of feats without contradicting the strength levels they are assigned to.

I want your opinions….
What do you think of this system?
What could be done to improve it?
Where do u your favourite characters feature in this System.

Level 1 (Normal): A being who can Lift between 0~60 kg or anything under their own body weight. These people engage in moderate exercise (sometimes any way).

Level 2(Peak Human): A being who can lift between their own body weight and twice their own body weight (80~300kg). This can be seen as athletic strength as those placed in this category take part in regular and strenuous exercise. N.B in the marvel universe 800 pounds is taken as the peak human level as any one who can lift over 800 pounds is considered Meta human.

Level 3 (Enhanced Human): Beings at this level are considered as having strength that goes beyond the physical limits set by the human body. Usually an external element is involved in the occurrence of this strength E.G. Magic, Admantium Exoskeleton, Super Soldier Serum. As these characters appear in fictional universes (where Super Strength is abundant) they are not always categorized as having Super Strength . Yet they perform feats that would be impossible for any other human being.

Feats: Punching Through Walls, The strength of large Mammals such as Gorilla’s , Picking up people with one hand, Beating up scores of people with ease.

Level 4 (Superhuman Strength 1.): Characters at this level are depicted as having a lower form of Super Human Strength. They are often illustrated physically overpowering those at the Enhanced Human level and are shown performing feats that can only be duplicated by machinery or numerous individuals. They are portrayed at a lower level as there are various beings that can physically outmatch them.

Feats: Lifting Cars, Moving objects like busses, Bending Steel Pipes, Breaking metal chains, Ripping Car doors off their hinges, Crushing Padlocks, Sometimes throwing Cars, Sometimes lifting Buses. The strength of Large Animals such as Elephants.

Level 5 (Superhuman Strength 2.): The Characters are still shown as having a lower form of super strength but are often portrayed as being superior to those at Level 4.

Feats: Lifting Buses, Changing the directions of planes while in mid air, Lifting Small , Lifting Tanks, Breaking through reinforced walls, bending Titanium and steel, Lifting small boats and yachts, Sometimes throwing buses, Stopping moving Buses.

Level 6 (Mythical Beats Strength): The characters are generally considered by readers and writers as having strength that greatly exceeds the Superhuman level. Even in the fictional universes these characters are still perceived as being immensely strong. Although the exact limits of the characters strength are unknown many are likely to be on par with heavy lifting devices. The respective weights involved are therefore still within the boundaries of realism. Although some may be able to perform feats that in a conventional universe are physically impossible. Note that the all of the characters are widely regarded as being weaker than those at the unearthly level. Although several have inconsistently displayed strength that would normally be associated as Demi God.

Feats: Punching through Tanks, Throwing Tanks, Lifting Large Aeroplanes, Lifting and throwing 18 wheeler trucks, Lifting and throwing train carriages, Punching people through entire rooms, Collapsing entire buildings with punches, Lifting Small buildings. Using large objects such as Cars, Lamp posts and parts of buildings as weapons, Throwing Cars considerable distances,

Level 7 ( Demi God Strength): In order to be regarded as having Unearthly strength, the character must regularly exhibit power FAR beyond the Mythical Beast level. Some of the characters have shown that they can surpass the immense strength of modern age heavy machinery. Many have illustrated feats that should be physically impossible due to their huge weight. Other’s have shown that they can match (and sometimes surpass) these individual’s in combat. Although the upper limits of the person’s strength remains a mystery we can gauge their strength by analysing their respective feats for reliability and accuracy. The consistency of the character performance is also noted .

Feats : Locomotives/Trains have been stopped while travelling at full speed, as have landing Jumbo Jets. Skyscrapers have been lifted, thrown and knocked down . Ocean liners, and other large sea vessels including Nuclear submarines, have been lifted. As have large Starship’s (weighing many thousand of tons).

Small mountains have been split in two, and other large natural objects have been shattered with single strikes. Heavy land vehicles such as busses, tanks and 18 wheeler trucks have been thrown considerable distances. Very Few man made barriers are able to stop beings at this Level. Steel and other strong metallic substances can be ripped apart like paper (one character was able to fly straight through the layers of near indestructible metal that make up Galactus ship). Beings have been pushed through the entire earth, and sent miles with punches. Animals the size of T Rex’s have been sent flying through the air with single punches, and monsters the size of Skyscrapers have been knocked out cold.

Level 8 ( God Strength): These characters are usually illustrated as having superior strength to those at the Demi God level. Although Regular fluctuations in their strength has made it difficult to gauge. Others have inconsistently displayed strength that truly dwarfs the standard Demi God Level.
E.G. Infrequently demonstrating feats that can only be performed regularly by beings with Cosmic Might. Some have also performed impressive feats which are hard to measure against other universes (The denting of Captain America’s shield, the bending of Admantium).

Feats : Level 7 beings are often defeated within the space of a few rounds. Some have been floored and knocked out with single punches. Mountains weighing millions and sometimes billions of tons have been shattered with single attacks. And entire mountain ranges (weighing hundreds of Billions of tons) have been braced. Small Land masses (E.g. Islands and cities) have been moved and sometimes lifted. First grade Admantium, and other indestructible metals such as Uru can be dented and breached.

Mystical objects the size of cities and bigger have also been lifted. Beings have struck their opponents with such force, that it is capable of sending them to the core of planets. Force Fields with enough energy to change a planets orbit have been destroyed. Small celestial objects (E.G Asteroids, Meteors, Comets and small moons) have been moved through space and destroyed with single attacks. In very extreme circumstances the beings have shown to be capable of moving (and destroying) entire worlds with their physical strength.

Level 9 (Titan Strength): The Characters at this level are generally accepted as having strength that even surpasses the God Level. They Consistently exhibit strength at an impressive Demi God / God level without showing any form of physical exertion. They have also exhibited feats that can only be performed regularly by beings with Cosmic Might. Other’s at this level have shown that they can physically match (and sometimes surpass) these individual’s in combat.

Level 10 (Cosmic Might): In order to be regarded as having Level 10 strength, the being in question must have power on a truly incalculable scale. Although the limits of the beings strength have not been measured it is widely agreed (by writers and readers) that their strength is truly immeasurable. Note that such characters rarely exercise their physical strength, but if they chose to there would probably be no limit to what they could lift/move. (Note that ‘power inflation’ can lead to any being having level 10 strength)

I want your opinions….
What do you think of this system?
What could be done to improve it?
Where do u your favourite characters feature in this System.

I dont understand. Do you want people to consider using this system in debates?

"So who has fought against Savage hulk? Surely Thor, Herc or Thing have? I bet he didnt beat them as easily as Thanos beat Thor, Herc, Prof and Thing at the same time? Obviously Hulk would eventually get stronger than Thanos so why the arguing why cant both sides admit that? If you did then this would be over lol."

They all had fighs with Savage, Mindless only Herc did. Thor and Thing werent there. And he never beat any except Thing and even against him it was never a easy win.

Eventually he - may - get stronger. Pll forget that Savage Hulk has been knocked out by raw strengh before, no matter how angry he got or not. Iron man did it. Abomination did it. Thanos by his showings starts above and can get higer too. While i see Savage putting a good fight, even with strengh for strengh he will lose.

Originally posted by olympian
"Yes, Savage starts off at, or above the level of the Professor, Thor, Herc, etc."

Then how come he never beat Herc? Or Thor. Mind you this is a genuine question....

"Thanos beat Champ with the Infinity Power Gem. Does that mean Thanos was stronger than Champ? Of course not"

Of course we also dont know if Hulk is stronger than Champ.

"Hulk has had it easy against Thing all along. He's beaten Thor into a bloody mess, and the same goes for Hercules."

WIth Thing while he always won he always had a fight. And he sure never won with 2 or 3 shots. Beaten Thor? Where. Hercules? Yes, depowered.

I still stand. Hulk never beat any of those and the ones he did wer not easiy.

"and he's never had a feat of strength that surpasses Hulk's. On what grounds does your argument stand?"

Combat showings. If you are strong to figh someone like Hulk - toe to toe- and make short work of him even as professor you have at least to be in his class.

"I'd still like to know how it's possible to differentiate 'Full-God' Hercules from 'Half-God' Hercules"

Mortal hercules its weaker in every aspect. No immortality, no superhuman stamina, no durability and less strenght. Full God in comics is what Classic Hercules is.

Never beat Herc? He nearly killed Herc. Hulk has beaten Thor time and time again. What are you talking about?

Hulk has beaten Abomination (stronger than Thing) in 2 shots. Hulk has beaten Thor in 3.

Champ had the Infinity Power Gem when he fought Thanos. How would Hulk be stronger?

So, any time Hercules loses he's not "Full God"? C'mon. You've got to come better than that. Give me a definitive means by which to differentiate Full God Herc from this so-called Half-God Herc.

"Never beat Herc? He nearly killed Herc. Hulk has beaten Thor time and time again. What are you talking about"

He beat a depowered/weaker Herc. Can you see the difference? Mortal Hercules as it was written at the time had half of his powers stripped.

And Thor? No. Anual 2001 is the closest you have and Thor wasent Ko in that one. He always got up.

Where did you get this " time and time " thing?

"Hulk has beaten Abomination (stronger than Thing) in 2 shots. Hulk has beaten Thor in 3"

So has Herc. So has Thor for what ive heard. One shot.

Hulk didnt beat Thor in 3 shots. He put him down in 3 shots, last i saw Thor was up right away. How was he beaten. And thats the closest Hulk have on a win against him.

"So, any time Hercules loses he's not "Full God"? C'mon. You've got to come better than that. Give me a definitive means by which to differentiate Full God Herc from this so-called Half-God Herc."

Marvel had classic Hercules who fought Hulk and never lost. And When he did he was Mortal. I dont come up with definations, everyone knows he was depowered at the time.

If you want to check it, youll see he got depowered by Zeus in avengers before that fight. And until today he didnt got it back officially at Marvel.

And Marvel never wrote the "Half-God" like he was in the myths. They wrote him as god until the 90` when he got depowered and he became Mortal.

"I dont understand. Do you want people to consider using this system in debates?"

Nahh mann not at all Just...

"I want your opinions….
What do you think of this system?
What could be done to improve it?
Where do u your favourite characters feature in this System."

Originally posted by olympian
"Never beat Herc? He nearly killed Herc. Hulk has beaten Thor time and time again. What are you talking about"

He beat a depowered/weaker Herc. Can you see the difference? Mortal Hercules as it was written at the time had half of his powers stripped.

And Thor? No. Anual 2001 is the closest you have and Thor wasent Ko in that one. He always got up.

Where did you get this " time and time " thing?

"Hulk has beaten Abomination (stronger than Thing) in 2 shots. Hulk has beaten Thor in 3"

So has Herc. So has Thor for what ive heard. One shot.

Hulk didnt beat Thor in 3 shots. He put him down in 3 shots, last i saw Thor was up right away. How was he beaten. And thats the closest Hulk have on a win against him.

"So, any time Hercules loses he's not "Full God"? C'mon. You've got to come better than that. Give me a definitive means by which to differentiate Full God Herc from this so-called Half-God Herc."

Marvel had classic Hercules who fought Hulk and never lost. And When he did he was Mortal. I dont come up with definations, everyone knows he was depowered at the time.

If you want to check it, youll see he got depowered by Zeus in avengers before that fight. And until today he didnt got it back officially at Marvel.

And Marvel never wrote the "Half-God" like he was in the myths. They wrote him as god until the 90` when he got depowered and he became Mortal.

Hulk has beaten Thor time and time again. So now beating your opponent to the point that they can no longer fight isn't a win? 🤨

Thor and Abomination never fought, and Hulk caved in Abom's skull.

Here's "Full-God" Herc, fighting Hulk, and fearing for his life. I really don't see much of a difference.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Here's "Full-God" Herc, fighting Hulk, and fearing for his life. I really don't see much of a difference.

isn't that Wonder Man?

Originally posted by kgkg
isn't that Wonder Man?

lol it is. 😮

That's Hulk 322. He and Herc did fight in that one, though. It was a stalemate, and the Avengers eventually took Hulk down.

How the hell did I mistake that for Herc? His eyes are red and he has grey hair... Damnit... 😠