Class 100 Royal Rumble, How strong are theses Guys

Started by JWangSDC20 pages

forget this "class" business. You are thinking of strength rating...6 means one can lift UP TO 100 tons. 7 means incalculable/over 100tons.

All the 616 powerhouses are class 7. WOnderman is class 6 until he's angry...then he's class 7. Classical juggernauts strength is always estimated to be about 100 tons...I always got the feeling he was slightly weaker than hulk/thor but infinitely more durable(literally). The ratings are alsoo supposedly by bench press...please remember anyone can deadlift more than they bench press....

also spiderman when he was strength level 4 and could press 10 tons was knwon to kick a subway train up...do tell me, how much do those trains weigh?

Originally posted by olympian
"Hulk has beaten Thor time and time again. So now beating your opponent to the point that they can no longer fight isn't a win"

When he can no longer fight yes. But Thor never got in that position against the Hulk " time and time " again. Even in the anual 2001 he was up after those 3 shots wasent he.

You must be thinking on another one during Thor earlier years ( a story draw by Larsen ) when Thor admited he acted as much of a savage as Hulk when they destroyed pretty much the whole city in theyr fight. Even still bruised he was about to go on when Hulk told him he knew he was a match for him and left the place.

And yeah that one is wonder Man. Herc figthing the mindless Hulk alone was this one:

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The avengers fight happened later. After the Samson/Hulk tussle.

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Yea thats true if your counting Herc fighting alone against The HULK when he's working alone with Ironman, Wonderman, and Namor.

Herc can not take hulk alone. He just can't.

"Yea thats true if your counting Herc fighting alone against The HULK when he's working alone with Ironman, Wonderman, and Namor"

I do since when he was attacking Hulk no one else was figthing. Thats figthing alone for you. Namor also charged against Hulk alone. Only Iron Man and Wman attacked together before they arrived.

Not to mention i already posted other fights of him and Hulk figthing solo, besides that one.

"Herc can not take hulk alone. He just can't"

What part of me saying they always had stalemates means he can take him alone. Matching Hulk alone ( wich he has done before and more than once ) doesnt spell beating Hulk now does it. The only time Herc " beat " the Hulk was in the end of the avengers fight when he trew the last 3 punches while Hulk was weak for the Ko. Its not a clear win therefore i dont count it.

Matching = equal, both having the upperhand in a fight or another.

Beating = What Namor did twice.

Even this system sucks !!!!!!!!!!!
"forget this "class" business. You are thinking of strength rating...6 means one can lift UP TO 100 tons. 7 means incalculable/over 100tons.

All the 616 powerhouses are class 7. WOnderman is class 6 until he's angry...then he's class 7. Classical juggernauts strength is always estimated to be about 100 tons...I always got the feeling he was slightly weaker than hulk/thor but infinitely more durable(literally). The ratings are alsoo supposedly by bench press...please remember anyone can deadlift more than they bench press....

also spiderman when he was strength level 4 and could press 10 tons was knwon to kick a subway train up...do tell me, how much do those trains weigh?"

Its still far to incomsistent which is why i use this system:

The system has been divided into 10 different categories, each of which is divided by clear parameters. Due to inconsistency with writers these levels are separated by clear guidelines rather than numerical values. (E.G level eight is not separated by nine by a bench pressing limit in tons). This system prevents physical restrictions and allows the characters to perform a wide range of feats without contradicting the strength levels they are assigned to.

Level 1 (Normal): A being who can Lift between 0~60 kg or anything under their own body weight. These people engage in moderate exercise (sometimes any way).

Level 2(Peak Human): A being who can lift between their own body weight and twice their own body weight (80~300kg). This can be seen as athletic strength as those placed in this category take part in regular and strenuous exercise. N.B in the marvel universe 800 pounds is taken as the peak human level as any one who can lift over 800 pounds is considered Meta human.

Level 3 (Enhanced Human): Beings at this level are considered as having strength that goes beyond the physical limits set by the human body. Usually an external element is involved in the occurrence of this strength E.G. Magic, Admantium Exoskeleton, Super Soldier Serum. As these characters appear in fictional universes (where Super Strength is abundant) they are not always categorized as having Super Strength . Yet they perform feats that would be impossible for any other human being.

Feats: Punching Through Walls, The strength of large Mammals such as Gorilla’s , Picking up people with one hand, Beating up scores of people with ease.

Level 4 (Superhuman Strength 1.): Characters at this level are depicted as having a lower form of Super Human Strength. They are often illustrated physically overpowering those at the Enhanced Human level and are shown performing feats that can only be duplicated by machinery or numerous individuals. They are portrayed at a lower level as there are various beings that can physically outmatch them.

Feats: Lifting Cars, Moving objects like busses, Bending Steel Pipes, Breaking metal chains, Ripping Car doors off their hinges, Crushing Padlocks, Sometimes throwing Cars, Sometimes lifting Buses. The strength of Large Animals such as Elephants.

Level 5 (Superhuman Strength 2.): The Characters are still shown as having a lower form of super strength but are often portrayed as being superior to those at Level 4.

Feats: Lifting Buses, Changing the directions of planes while in mid air, Lifting Small , Lifting Tanks, Breaking through reinforced walls, bending Titanium and steel, Lifting small boats and yachts, Sometimes throwing buses, Stopping moving Buses.

Level 6 (Mythical Beats Strength): The characters are generally considered by readers and writers as having strength that greatly exceeds the Superhuman level. Even in the fictional universes these characters are still perceived as being immensely strong. Although the exact limits of the characters strength are unknown many are likely to be on par with heavy lifting devices. The respective weights involved are therefore still within the boundaries of realism. Although some may be able to perform feats that in a conventional universe are physically impossible. Note that the all of the characters are widely regarded as being weaker than those at the unearthly level. Although several have inconsistently displayed strength that would normally be associated as Demi God.

Feats: Punching through Tanks, Throwing Tanks, Lifting Large Aeroplanes, Lifting and throwing 18 wheeler trucks, Lifting and throwing train carriages, Punching people through entire rooms, Collapsing entire buildings with punches, Lifting Small buildings. Using large objects such as Cars, Lamp posts and parts of buildings as weapons, Throwing Cars considerable distances,

Level 7 ( Demi God Strength): In order to be regarded as having Unearthly strength, the character must regularly exhibit power FAR beyond the Mythical Beast level. Some of the characters have shown that they can surpass the immense strength of modern age heavy machinery. Many have illustrated feats that should be physically impossible due to their huge weight. Other’s have shown that they can match (and sometimes surpass) these individual’s in combat. Although the upper limits of the person’s strength remains a mystery we can gauge their strength by analysing their respective feats for reliability and accuracy. The consistency of the character performance is also noted .

Feats : Locomotives/Trains have been stopped while travelling at full speed, as have landing Jumbo Jets. Skyscrapers have been lifted, thrown and knocked down . Ocean liners, and other large sea vessels including Nuclear submarines, have been lifted. As have large Starship’s (weighing many thousand of tons).

Small mountains have been split in two, and other large natural objects have been shattered with single strikes. Heavy land vehicles such as busses, tanks and 18 wheeler trucks have been thrown considerable distances. Very Few man made barriers are able to stop beings at this Level. Steel and other strong metallic substances can be ripped apart like paper (one character was able to fly straight through the layers of near indestructible metal that make up Galactus ship). Beings have been pushed through the entire earth, and sent miles with punches. Animals the size of T Rex’s have been sent flying through the air with single punches, and monsters the size of Skyscrapers have been knocked out cold.

Level 8 ( God Strength): These characters are usually illustrated as having superior strength to those at the Demi God level. Although Regular fluctuations in their strength has made it difficult to gauge. Others have inconsistently displayed strength that truly dwarfs the standard Demi God Level.
E.G. Infrequently demonstrating feats that can only be performed regularly by beings with Cosmic Might. Some have also performed impressive feats which are hard to measure against other universes (The denting of Captain America’s shield, the bending of Admantium).

Feats : Level 7 beings are often defeated within the space of a few rounds. Some have been floored and knocked out with single punches. Mountains weighing millions and sometimes billions of tons have been shattered with single attacks. And entire mountain ranges (weighing hundreds of Billions of tons) have been braced. Small Land masses (E.g. Islands and cities) have been moved and sometimes lifted. First grade Admantium, and other indestructible metals such as Uru can be dented and breached.

Mystical objects the size of cities and bigger have also been lifted. Beings have struck their opponents with such force, that it is capable of sending them to the core of planets. Force Fields with enough energy to change a planets orbit have been destroyed. Small celestial objects (E.G Asteroids, Meteors, Comets and small moons) have been moved through space and destroyed with single attacks. In very extreme circumstances the beings have shown to be capable of moving (and destroying) entire worlds with their physical strength.

Level 9 (Titan Strength): The Characters at this level are generally accepted as having strength that even surpasses the God Level. They Consistently exhibit strength at an impressive Demi God / God level without showing any form of physical exertion. They have also exhibited feats that can only be performed regularly by beings with Cosmic Might. Other’s at this level have shown that they can physically match (and sometimes surpass) these individual’s in combat.

Level 10 (Cosmic Might): In order to be regarded as having Level 10 strength, the being in question must have power on a truly incalculable scale. Although the limits of the beings strength have not been measured it is widely agreed (by writers and readers) that their strength is truly immeasurable. Note that such characters rarely exercise their physical strength, but if they chose to there would probably be no limit to what they could lift/move. (Note that ‘power inflation’ can lead to any being having level 10 strength)

You cant really use that system in debates however because you or a friend or even some website have just made it up. If you want to use it personally when you're reading comics books then fair enough but you cant expect everyone else to switch to it.

it can be used

Level 1: steve urkel, homer simpson, aunt may
Level 2: Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Wolverine
Level 3: Ultimate Cap, Grodd (although batman has performed some of these feats)
Level 4: Spiderman, Venom
Level 5: Rogue
Level 6: Thing, Collosus
Level 7: Captain Marvel (Shazam), Martian Manhunter, Wonderman
Level 8: Superman, Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Enraged Hulk, Magneto's/Graviton's power
Level 9: Odin,
Level 10, Galactus, Celestials etc

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
it can be used

Level 1: steve urkel, homer simpson, aunt may
Level 2: Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Wolverine
Level 3: Ultimate Cap, Grodd (although batman has performed some of these feats)
Level 4: Spiderman, Venom
Level 5: Rogue
Level 6: Thing, Collosus
Level 7: Captain Marvel (Shazam), Martian Manhunter, Wonderman
Level 8: Superman, Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Enraged Hulk, Magneto's/Graviton's power
Level 9: Odin,
Level 10, Galactus, Celestials etc

Level 10: Galactus, Celestials, Enraged Savage Hulk(Strength) 🙂

enraged hulk? i dont think so. i think hed reach level 8 tops, level 9 if he caught betty with doc samson and rick in a threesome

But thats just a fans assumptions. Its a made up system. How can you expect to use that in a debate when people are countering it with comic book evidence? That silly. Thats like me making a website full of bios that seems about right and then everyone taking it as the gospel truth. Thats ridiculous.

1 to 7 should at least match marvels and then if everyone wants to help compile the rest of the ratings then fine. But you cant dismiss the official one just like that in favour of a made up one you feel represents your fave heroes better

the ratings system can be used. it lists a list of feats. if X can do whats at level 5 but not level 6, he has level 5 strength. whether stan lee, steven hawkins, or a retarded chimp made up the table the feats are objective and state clear boundaries for what the character can and cannot do.

there is nothing wroung with the system. so if u know that ghost rider can do X, yuh check it back to the table and say well he can throw a car, so ...

Hulk's strength PHYSICALLY... CANNOT BE MATCHED IF HE'S FULLY ENRAGED. He is power incarnate.

Originally posted by Sentry
Hulk's strength PHYSICALLY... CANNOT BE MATCHED IF HE'S FULLY ENRAGED. He is power incarnate.

an objective fact

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
the ratings system can be used. it lists a list of feats. if X can do whats at level 5 but not level 6, he has level 5 strength. whether stan lee, steven hawkins, or a retarded chimp made up the table the feats are objective and state clear boundaries for what the character can and cannot do.

there is nothing wroung with the system. so if u know that ghost rider can do X, yuh check it back to the table and say well he can throw a car, so ...

Characters which marvel has classed in a certain way are dimissed and not reflected by this system. How can you expect people to ignore marvel in favour of a system made up by a fan. Thats silly. Marvel only goes up to 7. Therefore 1 to 7 should be the same as marvels however 8 to 10 could be made up by everyone willing to participate on the forum. Even then it should be made clear that its not definitive and cant be used as conclusive evidence in a debate.

marvel's system cannot differentiate the strength between galactus and thor cause both are at 7, and they hardly are the same strength.

the one time when i saw hulk completely enraged after betty was injured he became so powerful that be became banner again, and the hulk persona had to tell him to calm down before he got them killed.

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
marvel's system cannot differentiate the strength between galactus and thor cause both are at 7, and they hardly are the same strength.

the one time when i saw hulk completely enraged after betty was injured he became so powerful that be became banner again, and the hulk persona had to tell him to calm down before he got them killed.

Therefore beings such as Galactus could additional tiers to the marvel system made for them by the people on the forum. However people who are classified by Marvel such as Thor and hulk who do fit into the marvel system should remain between 1 and 7. They shouldnt be changed by a fans system.

as long as the system makes sense it doesnt matter to me. wonderman shouldnt be in the same category as say superman or thor.

supes moved warworld, wonderman had problems holding up half of avengers island in teh acts of vengeance. thor's legend is just as impressive as supes.

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
it can be used

Level 1: steve urkel, homer simpson, aunt may
Level 2: Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Wolverine
Level 3: Ultimate Cap, Grodd (although batman has performed some of these feats)
Level 4: Spiderman, Venom
Level 5: Rogue
Level 6: Thing, Collosus
Level 7: Captain Marvel (Shazam), Martian Manhunter, Wonderman
Level 8: Superman, Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Enraged Hulk, Magneto's/Graviton's power
Level 9: Odin,
Level 10, Galactus, Celestials etc

Neither MM or WM are stronger than The THING.

u obviously are crazy

"Characters which marvel has classed in a certain way are dimissed and not reflected by this system. How can you expect people to ignore marvel in favour of a system made up by a fan. Thats silly. Marvel only goes up to 7. Therefore 1 to 7 should be the same as marvels however 8 to 10 could be made up by everyone willing to participate on the forum. Even then it should be made clear that its not definitive and cant be used as conclusive evidence in a debate."

You do have a fair point G.S. but wasn't the Marvel class system made up for a role playing game, rather than being introduced by the Marvel company?

Any way don't you think the original system is in valid and inconstistent ?

I believe from level 5 upwards the system associated with marvel is totally in valid. Do you not think this system would be far more effective than the marvel system ?

"Level 1: steve urkel, homer simpson, aunt may
Level 2: Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Wolverine
Level 3: Ultimate Cap, Grodd (although batman has performed some of these feats)
Level 4: Spiderman, Venom
Level 5: Rogue
Level 6: Thing, Collosus
Level 7: Captain Marvel (Shazam), Martian Manhunter, Wonderman
Level 8: Superman, Thor, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Enraged Hulk, Magneto's/Graviton's power
Level 9: Odin,
Level 10, Galactus, Celestials etc "

Cheers dude i really appreciate you doing this. The only part of this system that is contraversial is the difference between Level 9 and Ten.

I reckon that Captain Marvel would be at level 8 aswell.