"Hulk has beaten Thor time and time again. So now beating your opponent to the point that they can no longer fight isn't a win"
When he can no longer fight yes. But Thor never got in that position against the Hulk " time and time " again. Even in the anual 2001 he was up after those 3 shots wasent he.
You must be thinking on another one during Thor earlier years ( a story draw by Larsen ) when Thor admited he acted as much of a savage as Hulk when they destroyed pretty much the whole city in theyr fight. Even still bruised he was about to go on when Hulk told him he knew he was a match for him and left the place.
And yeah that one is wonder Man. Herc figthing the mindless Hulk alone was this one:
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The avengers fight happened later. After the Samson/Hulk tussle.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Wow. I have a little more respect for Hercules now.There seems to be a lot of "handbook knowledge" going around about Namor. I've heard that Namor can only fly at 60mph. I think I've seen him fly faster than that. He's able to keep up with Strange, SS, and Hulk (in a jump, which is prettty fast.)
Agree. He once flew through the whole Manhattan in half a minute, and he was not even exerting himself.
at what point are we saying herc stood with hulk. it seems from the comic hulk was taking them all on at once ( without a decisive victory i admit) but no one is able to stop him, also from what ive read namour underwater is capable of cast shows of strength, though not at the level of hulk .though they again tend to draw when they meet. hul would get so pissed on his way into the rumble that hed ko everyone there. so long as magic isnt used of course
Tguy. The reason why i say he stood against Mindless Hulk is simple. He fough against him before the avengers fight alone. He wasent beaten. They wer show as equals. None beating the other. Those scans wer already showed alot of times.
And even i admit Hulk didnt beat the avengers because he was dying. Things is Herc wouldnt either. As immortal hes up there and doesnt die by conventional means. The rest would and should get creamed excepting She Hulk ( who Hulk never went all against ) and maybe Wonder Man. Even scared as he was.
Namor underwater gets strengh to beat the Hulk. Thats why he done it twice. In fact hes the brick with the better record against Hulk at Marvel.
Originally posted by olympian
Freah out of water or underwater Namor is always a contender.About Wonder Man, what power level he has nowaydays? If i recall hes stronger then he was back then.
Current Wonder Man is a class 95 normally. As soon as his anger or focus kicks in, his strength and other physical attributes skyrocket. He has gone toe to toe with powerhouses in the past. Taking on the likes of the Avengers/West Coast Avengers. Single handedly taking on a group of 20 to 30 Ultrons. Yes he also thrashed grade A admantium Ultron. Ultron who gives a whole team of Avengers trouble. Kicked the Abomination's a$$ after Abomie gave him a sufficient beating to jump start his rage.
Height: 6' 2"Weight: 380 lb.
Eyes: Red, formerly blue.
Hair: Gray, formerly black.
Strength Level: Wonder Man possesses superhuman strength enabling him to lift (press) 95 tons under optimal conditions. When extremely focused, upset or angry, Wonder Man's strength enables him to lift well over 95 tons putting him in the 100-ton strength level range.
Unusual Features: Wonder Man's eyes no longer have visible pupils or irises. His entire eyeball is permeated with microscopic shifting spots of ionic energy, which make them glow a bright red.
Since his resurrection by the Scarlet Witch, Wonder Man's body becomes enveloped in ionic energy whenever he uses his powers in battle causing him to look like a being composed entirely of shifting red and dark purple glowing energy.
Known Superhuman Powers Wonder Man possesses superhuman strength, speed, durability, reflexes and stamina. The tissue and bone of his entire body have been augmented in strength and to a certain extent supplanted by an unknown substance during the ionic process that gave him his powers. Despite Wonder Man's statements that he is composed of ionic energy, he is in fact composed of organic matter that is permeated with ionic energy.
Wonder Man's stamina enables him to exert himself at peak levels for up to an hour and a half before fatigue poisons build up in his blood, causing him to tire. Wonder Man's skin and tissue is hard enough to resist temperature extremes from the cold vacuum of space to the extreme temperatures generated at ground zero of a nuclear bomb without any harm.
Wonder Man can run at superhuman speeds above 55 miles per hour. It is theorized that Wonder Man could potentially run at 500 miles per hour in a strait line for 30 minutes before tiring.
Wonder Man has been shown to be able to leap many feet into the air and cover large distances using this method. It is estimated that Wonder Man could leap about three miles per leap.
Wonder Man no longer requires food, water or oxygen since the energy that gives him life is far more efficient and self-sustaining than the biochemical processes that sustain normal, ordinary human life.
Wonder Man can fly by tapping releasing the by-products of the ionic energy interactions within his body unidirectionaly through his skin. The process resembled the workings of a noiseless nuclear powered jet engine. It is unknown the top speed at which Wonder Man can fly, but he can apparently reach escape velocity with ease and journey into outer space under his own power.
Wonder Man can halt the flow of ionic energy to his eyes through an act of deep concentration and make them revert to normal for brief periods of time. If Wonder Man does this for an extended period of time, he will suffer a headache from the strain of stopping the flow of ionic energy to and from his eyeballs.
Wonder Man's vision extends slightly into the infrared section of the visible spectrum allowing him to see in absolute dark without aid from any light source.
While it appears Wonder Man transforms from a normal human being into being composed purely of ionic energy, this is not the case. Wonder Man's physical body is merely covered by ionic energy at that point. It is unknown if this outer covering of ionic energy adds more protection to his already near-invulnerable form or if it is just a by-product of his resurrection by the Scarlet Witch.
Initially, Wonder Man possessed superhuman strength and endurance that were comparable with the Thing. After his first "death", his powers increased significantly while in stasis, placing him in the "Class 100" strength range, equivalent to Thor; entailing that he can lift far in excess of 100 tons. Wonder Man also possesses superhuman speed but initially could not fly of his own power. After his revival, he gained a belt that featured a pair of rockets that tapped into his ionic power to give him the ability of flight. Without the belt, he could not fly, but eventually learned to leap great distances like the Hulk. After he was exposed to the energies of a Nega-Bomb in "Operation Galactic Storm", his powers entered a state of flux that lasted until his second "death" in combat with the Kree. At one point during this state of flux, energy erupted from his body and temporarily empowered a group of his non-superpowered friends and associates, who were briefly known as the "Crazy Eight". After his body was reformed by the Scarlet Witch, he gained the ability to transform into ionic energy, in which form he now possessed the innate ability of flight.
Strength : Class 95 Angered/Focused: Well into the class 100 range
