And there was the time Torch accidently took Storm out by burning her.
Originally posted by stormfront13
you all are also assuming that johnny and aue are attached at the hip, and have syncronized attacks. they don't have a mind-link and can't read eachothers thoughts
And there was the time Torch accidently took Storm out by burning her.
^^by the picture I saw storm had her back to torch, torch wasn't even trying to hurt storm, torch was trying to hit someone else, but accidntly hit storm. and this happened before storm easily beat the torch, and it happened before storm easily snuffed torches flame twice. she has snuffed his flame twice without even trying, thios time won't be any different.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Thing VS Colossus
A good slugfest, but Colossus punched off his feet Juggernaut, and performed acrobatic attacks on him, his agility and reflexes outclass those of Thing, so for his strenght.Thing with his Class 85 Strenght will brawl with him, but Colossus is between 150/170 tons of lifting ability, he'll pummel poor Benji unconscious after testing he's not so much of a challenge for someone who showed his own against Gladiator and Juggernaut.Human Torch VS Storm
Torch is more powerful than his early years, and his control over his powers is sufficient to make Storm's winds useless.Plus Storm has to create winds around her to fly, Torch fly under his own power, and can reach speeds over 200mph, he can easy speedblitz Storm and fire at her some fire balls, fire blasts, surround her in a fire cage and explode in a Nova Flame, or emit Nova Blasts from his hand to be sure Storm will stay dead.
Storm can hit him with lightnings, yes, but she isn't going to hit Torch considering how much things he can do with his powers.He can simply create huge fire walls around Storm or on the battlefield granting himself to face and enemy scared, cause Storm is claustrophobic, and hurt-tire her thanks to the heat of his attacks.
Anyway I'm waiting for a fanboy saying Storm can fire lasers through that sun crap trick.Mr. Fantastic VS Wolverine
Reed will block Wolverine then crush him on the ground into unconsciouness, then Spidey and Colossus will come up with a plan to stop him after they take care of the Torch.Invisible Woman VS Spider-Man
Spidey takes this, he can just web her face, and knock her out with a single punch, Spidey's speed, spider sense, reflexes and agility granted him to survive to various fights against the FF4, and Susan Richards hasn't got the fighter instinct Spidey has so the wall crawler takes the victory.
😂 That maybe the most that I've laughed out loud in quite sometime.
Spidey takes out Arguably the most powerful member of the FF. Not 1 in 100 times does that happen. If sue can see him he's done. (Ask the white queen).
Our THING VS. Colossus opinions aren't ever going to change. You sure like to give Colossus the benefit of the doubt as far as 150/170 tons class when i can almost guaranty you can't show any proof from Marvel themselves that he actually has been given a strength # that is even CL100. His feat with the train extremely impressive. But i think that the writer was definitely a little overzealous as far as his strength or the likely hood that it could actually happen. But hey i guess that most all X-characters are often overblown. A 5' 3" 195lbs guy can stand toe to toe and blow for blow with a 7' 1040lbs monster who can be upwards of 20x stronger than that same foe. Yea right!
Everyone knows that over time both The THING and Colossus have have been upgraded. But unfortunately it's never been stated to what level by Marvel. So before I'm going say that one is stronger than the other (because they been close in strength since the mid 80's with Ben being slightly stronger.) I'm going to have to see it from Marvel in writing and in a #. That being said, there is no question Ben's the better fighter. And also has more heart (ie.) The Champion along with 100 other examples throughout the years. Ben has beaten him in the past. I have to admit I've never actually seen that book, but he did mention it while he was fighting against the skrulls while they were projecting themselves as the xmen. Ben said that he knew that they were skrulls because this skrull Colossus was much tougher than the real one.
ps. Ben beat down that skrull too.
Your other 2 picks where right on the money though, so be happy about that. You were 50% right. And only 1/2 wrong.
This new xteam doesn't win a match, And The FF is home before lunch.
By the way this is my new favorite scan. The Wrecker is only 40 tons and isn't half as big as The HULK nor The THING.
Originally posted by stormfront13
this happened before storm easily beat the torch, and it happened before storm easily snuffed torches flame twice. she has snuffed his flame twice without even trying, thios time won't be any different.
The point is... as easily as Storm can snuff out a low intensity flame (which Torch can just reignite since he has access to ample oxygen and is not sufficiently smothered by water) Torch can take Storm out by burning her.
I'm not assuming that Torch and IW automatically work together. I've stated that if Thing and Colossus are slugging it out, while Mr F can easily expand and enclose both Spidey and Wolvie then there is only Storm to deal with. (Maybe try arguing for the other members on Storm's team?)
If Storm is the only threat left, and neither Sue nor Johnny are likely to just stand back and watch their sibling face her. Even at the beginning of the fight, the FF should recognise that Storm is the main threat on the opposing team. Storm is the major threat, and the only two that are adept to handle her are IW, who is arguably the most powerful team member, and Torch who is just as capable, if not more so, at flight and airborne maneuvering.
You on the other hand are assuming that Storm can singlehandedly take out multiple FF members all by herself, which is highly improbable. Storm does not think and act at light speed while everyone is slowed to a crawl around her. Her powers require as much if not more concentration and time, if not more, than Torch and IW.
She has to focus attention on maintaining winds to fly, altering winds to maneuver to avoid Johnny's attacks, she has to snuff out his flame in some way, she has to attack him, she has to locate IW, she has to avoid being attacked by IW whose attacks are also invisible, she has to attack IW and IW can shield herself. She has to do this all simultaneously in order for her to defeat them both. I ask again... what's the likelihood of that occurring?
I like Storm (I like her less when she does crap like making EMPs and sun lasers but I still like her) doesn't change the fact that it's unlikely that she would take down Johnny and Sue working together.
The FF already have planned strategies for fighting people u wouldnt expect ie Uatu...so I dont think it would be a stretch to say they have a strategy for fighting the X-Men...again.
Tony Stark and XMarks the spot made good points about the Thing. Although these people claim the Thing is only capable of lifting 85 tons, they still manage to exaggerate Colossus' strength up to 170 tons! fanboyism. Big deal if Colossus knocked down Juggernaut and Juggernaut beat THING after THING fought 99 other guys. Thing broke one of Champions ribs while Colossus didnt do anything but get beat on.
Yes i see the wrecker gave Wolverine a nice thrashing in what i assume is the latest issue of Avengers. Wrecker is tough though, he does regularly give Thor resistance. By the way, the Thing was able to beat the Wrecker's @ss while drunk. Oh and Wrecker can lift 50 tons not 40.
Torch using his flame on Storm is more likely than Storm hitting someone with lightning. Torch can control his flame and use it with a lot of versatility. He doesnt necessarily have to use his flame to try and burn/kill storm.
Did you guys ever consider that maybe Champion just took Colossus out much faster than he did Ben? That perhaps instead of taking him out quickly like Colossus, that he just messed with him for awhile until he got bored/angry?
Because that's what I think happened. I think Champion just hit Colossus much harder to knock him out quicker, while he let Ben take a few shots first.
*****She has to focus attention on maintaining winds to fly, altering winds to maneuver to avoid Johnny's attacks, she has to snuff out his flame in some way, she has to attack him, she has to locate IW, she has to avoid being attacked by IW whose attacks are also invisible, she has to attack IW and IW can shield herself. She has to do this all simultaneously in order for her to defeat them both. I ask again... what's the likelihood of that occurring?*****
^^she has been flying since puberty, she herself said such a simple task as flying requires no concentration by now, most of it is pure instinct. look at torches history with storm, what has happened everytime storm has tried to snuff his flame? his flame was blown away. now of she can snuff his flame w/out even trying, imagine what she could do to him when she is trying. she has already easily beaten him, while hardly putting any effort in, what's to stop her now? all she has to do is summon a gust of wind and a lightning bolt to take him out. based on history, a strong gust of wind has snuffed his flame quite easily, so his human body will be struck by lightning, one hit from lightning should take him down. and every FF comic I have(used to have) sue usually worked with reed.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Did you guys ever consider that maybe Champion just took Colossus out much faster than he did Ben? That perhaps instead of taking him out quickly like Colossus, that he just messed with him for awhile until he got bored/angry?Because that's what I think happened. I think Champion just hit Colossus much harder to knock him out quicker, while he let Ben take a few shots first.
🙄 What color is your sky?
Organic steel?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm honestly just asking a question. I don't think there's any need for that really.All it showed me was that you couldn't answer the question.
Did you guys ever consider that maybe Champion just took Colossus out much faster than he did Ben? That perhaps instead of taking him out quickly like Colossus, that he just messed with him for awhile until he got bored/angry?
Because that's what I think happened. I think Champion just hit Colossus much harder to knock him out quicker, while he let Ben take a few shots first.
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Didn't you just say that you thought that was the reason?
You asked the question. Then said that you believed that was what happened.
I'm i wrong?
Sky color was meant as a joke please don't take offense.
It's all good.
Bottom line Colossus is tough but Ben's tougher.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Did you guys ever consider that maybe Champion just took Colossus out much faster than he did Ben? That perhaps instead of taking him out quickly like Colossus, that he just messed with him for awhile until he got bored/angry?Because that's what I think happened. I think Champion just hit Colossus much harder to knock him out quicker, while he let Ben take a few shots first.
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Didn't you just say that you thought that was the reason?
You asked the question. Then said that you believed that was what happened.
I'm i wrong?
Sky color was meant as a joke please don't take offense.
It's all good.
Bottom line Colossus is tough but Ben's tougher.
I didn't really take offense, as I hope you didn't either.
And I know I asked the question, I was just hoping someone would come along and possibly fill me in, debate with me a bit on the fight. I mean, if you are as strong as Champion, it's not like he has to fight his heart out everytime. When you're that strong, you can take your time with your opponents, since none of them are as strong. That's all I'm saying. We don't know how Champion was feeling when he fought Colossus and Thing, that's all. He could've just wanted to toy with both of them, or one of them, or neither. I don't know really, no one does. I was just hoping to discuss it.
That's all.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I didn't really take offense, as I hope you didn't either.And I know I asked the question, I was just hoping someone would come along and possibly fill me in, debate with me a bit on the fight. I mean, if you are as strong as Champion, it's not like he has to fight his heart out everytime. When you're that strong, you can take your time with your opponents, since none of them are as strong. That's all I'm saying. We don't know how Champion was feeling when he fought Colossus and Thing, that's all. He could've just wanted to toy with both of them, or one of them, or neither. I don't know really, no one does. I was just hoping to discuss it.
That's all.
😉 I didn't. Thanks.
What some people don't remember about the champion is that his main gig was being the best fighter anywhere, any time line etc... This being the first time that he had held a competition for earth. I think he probably was trying to not look bad and get things over with like any other fighter.
There was no hatred between him and any of the fighters on his side. So he probably wasn't trying to humiliate anybody by stretching out the fight and trying to punish anybody or anything.
Outside of for The THING possibly.
Once Ben broke The Champions ribs I'm pretty sure he threw some extra bad intentions in there.
To finish it. But he couldn't get'r done because of Ben's pure willpower and his never quit as long as i have oxygen.
I will not stop trying. motto.
All of the other heroes knew what would happen if somebody didn't beat The Champion that day.
Outside of Ben all the other heroes either freaked out and were taken out or got taken out by The Champion.
I really think that says alot.
Bollocks. That stupid comic was horribly written. And the artwork sucked. It was only published to make Thing look good.
Namor and Hulk - stronger and better than Thing - didn't even get a chance to fight Champion.
That comic was awful. Not because Thing had his shining moment - good for him - but just because it really was awful.
Storm CANNOT extinquish a high intensity torch if gravotron couldnt. If he got hot enough all he would need to do is fly near storm to take her out. If he made flame replicas of himself then storm would be in even more trouble especially if they were hot enough.
Correct me if im wrong but a pressure dome isnt stopping a forcle blast because of its nature wind cant block certain things like for example an optic blast because it concussive force in nature, a nuke isnt. Sue could use a wide force colomn like she once used against thing to knock her out.