??? you know its really funny but there was a thread a while back where Demi and AC were argueing about the result of the battle were the FF were vs four Xmen (the only ones that I can remember were jean, iceman and nightcrawler....stormfront do you remeber the other guy? i know you were in that thread...) anyways people were saying that the FF could beat those guys...and I though wtf?? how are they gonna be beat iceman (who = god nowadays) OR JEAN?? but according to AC....(and only AC, that i know of) nothing can go through one of Sue's bubbles or be manipulated through it...anyone have any evidence of that? because then storms manipulation would not be able to get through and Sue just knocks them all out.....
here if anyone wants the link to the thread I found it....damn it went 23 pages....
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=322493&highlight=ff4+vs+the+Xmen
oh and the other guy was Colossus
Originally posted by stormfront13
you are also assuming that johnny and sue will be together in this. i never actually thought about creating a vaccum, but when she did it to jean grey it appeared instantley. and manipulating bio-electric fields is a power of hers
Argh... lol. Stop saying I'm assuming that they're working together. When you yourself are simply assuming that they don't. I detailed why I have them working together, so to diminish this perhaps you could produce a valid argument as to why my scenario is implausible aside from your observation that "reed and sue normally work together". The FF work as a team and all of them are capable of working with each other.
Whether or not manipulating bio-electric fields is a capability of hers wasn't my question. I asked whose she manipulated and how often she does this.
Quoting myself as most of my points have been ignored or inadequately countered 🙁
The point is... as easily as Storm can snuff out a low intensity flame (which Torch can just reignite since he has access to ample oxygen and is not sufficiently smothered by water) Torch can take Storm out with a flame attack.I'm not assuming that Torch and IW automatically work together. I've stated that if Thing and Colossus are slugging it out, while Mr F can easily expand and enclose/capture both Spidey and Wolvie then there is only Storm to deal with.
Storm is the only threat left, and neither Sue nor Johnny are likely to just stand back and simply watch their sibling face her alone. Even at the beginning of the fight, the FF should recognise that Storm is the main threat on the opposing team. Storm is the major threat, and the only two that are adept to handle her are IW, who is arguably the most powerful team member, and Torch who is just as capable, if not more so, at flight and airborne maneuvering.
You on the other hand are assuming that Storm can singlehandedly take out multiple FF members all by herself, which is highly improbable. Storm does not think and act at light speed while everyone is slowed to a crawl around her. Her powers require as much if not more concentration and time, if not more, than Torch and IW.
She has to focus attention on maintaining winds to fly, altering winds to maneuver to avoid Johnny's attacks, she has to snuff out his flame in some way, she has to attack him, she has to divide her attention and concentration to locate IW in some way, she has to avoid being attacked by IW whose attacks are also invisible, she has to attack IW and IW can shield herself (and we now observe that nothing gets through her shield). She has to do this all simultaneously in order for her to defeat them both. I ask again (for the third or fourth time now I think)... what's the likelihood of that occurring?
As opposed to the simplicity of IW holding Storm still in a construct while Torch hits her with a blast of flame.
I like Storm (I like her less when she does crap like making EMPs and sun lasers but I still like her) doesn't change the fact that it's unlikely that she would take down Johnny and Sue working together.
Poses a question about Storm being able to avoid attacks from IW...
well yeah lol, sry because we are all assuming on a VS forum lol. didn't realize that. but anyway........for them to work together, reed will have to keep spidey contained and that could serve as a problem. if sue sees this then she will more than likely switch her concentration to contain spidey in a field. and yes storm can shut down hearts, she did it to shinobi shaw and we saw his field being manipulated, and i don't know how often she does it but she has done it
but can it be done to IW?? I mean can somebody manipulate inside HER fields??
^^nothing really suggests it can't be. yes, they are very, very strong fields, possibly the strongest in marvel, but unless it is pointed out somewhere exactly that storm couldn't affect the inside, then it is still a valid argument.