Originally posted by Syren
You don't need to patronise me to make a point. I do read what you write and I tend to absorb your comments and opinions rather better when they are offered in a more gentle manner. When you act like you are superior you really make yourself sound like an arrogant prick.
When you assume and then try to turn your head first behaviour around on me when you were the one who assumed and misinterpreted, you really make yourself sound like a really uninformed prick yourself.
Originally posted by Syren
YOU said societal influence was brought into the discussion by wickerman, I said that it was a part of the discussion already. Where was the reason to completely humiliate me? Thank you AC, once again you have made me want to avoid you and any conversation with you due to your blatant lack of respect for another person's knowledge, capability and individuality. Buy yourself a furby, they don't argue.Goodnight all, perhaps next time I log on I won't be berated for having a differing opinion.
Funny how when you're knocked on the back foot for a very poor misintepretation you made, then applauding people who follow up on your ill informed assumptions, you try to make me into the bad guy.
How very sad and immature.
Himo: It's nothing like that. We've been great friends at some point, she's just one of those people who likes her views to be views, doesn't mind em being challenged unless she's made an exception, which she isn't with me. So she's sore.
Either way, I'm not prepared to derail this thread.
-AC
Well that would be your opinion, not fact.
You do nothing BUT preach your values while you're on here, I just discuss.
Either way, this is the.....I've lost count actually. Lost count of the amount of times we've almost reached a level of mature discussion but you've bailed out due to not being able to control your apparant mood switches.
It's a shame. You aint that bad.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, as I just explained in the above post, I was getting at things that you weren't aware of, and you assumed I was talking about things that I wasn't referring to. I was speaking exclusively in relation to your posts that bisexuals have more chance to become lesbian. Which were:A) Far too generalised.
and
B) Wrong. As proven in my above post. If you'll take a minute to not do a Syren and dive in head first. No pun intended.
I think you're a little confused here. Let me try to explain it as simply as i can....
"If a girl is bisexual and gets hit on by a lesbian, it doesn't make her any prone to being lesbian, because most bisexuals are only bisexual because they don't want to choose, they feel fine with liking both."
I didn't know you're an authority on the subject....knowing so much about bisexuals.
"By becoming bisexual, she isn't choosing women over men, she's choosing women too."
Alright, still on the same subject...
"Just because they've chosen to like females ALSO, doesn't mean they've chosen to like females more."
Still on the subject....
"I don't see what you're trying to do by saying that societal influence makes any difference.
Alot of people are talking about how it's "cool" to be into girls if you're a girl, due to societal pressure. What you need to realise is that those girls will most likely never ever have a major sexual encounter with the same sex because it's not what they're about. They're about the tease, not the act."
BAM!!!! You've just whacked yourself on the head. You've been saying that if a woman is Bisexual, it's because she only wants to have both, not necessarily one or the other, societal influence playing no role in this. and now WOOSH! girls do it only for the tease, or to turn guys on, never actually planning a real sexual experience....Was that simple enough? Can you understand how you contradicted yourself?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, but once again:*Brings out Etch-a-Sketch*
As we can see from the post I made, my point was that societal influence or not, it's not going to automatically force a bisexual female to be more leaning toward females and this more prone to lesbianism, as you would have us believe, in every case.
If you want proof, Syren is there.
This IS too good.
Please continue. Maybe next time I'll have to break out the red ball, spirograph and rubber scissors.
-AC
Etch-a-Sketch!!!! 😱 i LOVE those things.
Maybe next time you can use it to make yourself a nice little sketch on how not to contradict yourself 😉
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
I think you're a little confused here. Let me try to explain it as simply as i can...."If a girl is bisexual and gets hit on by a lesbian, it doesn't make her any prone to being lesbian, because most bisexuals are only bisexual because they don't want to choose, they feel fine with liking both."
I didn't know you're an authority on the subject....knowing so much about bisexuals.
"By becoming bisexual, she isn't choosing women over men, she's choosing women too."
Alright, still on the same subject...
"Just because they've chosen to like females ALSO, doesn't mean they've chosen to like females more."
Still on the subject....
"I don't see what you're trying to do by saying that societal influence makes any difference.
Alot of people are talking about how it's "cool" to be into girls if you're a girl, due to societal pressure. What you need to realise is that those girls will most likely never ever have a major sexual encounter with the same sex because it's not what they're about. They're about the tease, not the act."
BAM!!!! You've just whacked yourself on the head. You've been saying that if a woman is Bisexual, it's because she only wants to have both, not necessarily one or the other, societal influence playing no role in this. and now WOOSH! girls do it only for the tease, or to turn guys on, never actually planning a real sexual experience....Was that simple enough? Can you understand how you contradicted yourself?
Etch-a-Sketch!!!! 😱 i LOVE those things.
Maybe next time you can use it to make yourself a nice little sketch on how not to contradict yourself 😉~wickerman~
AC just got owned.
Originally posted by Wickerman
BAM!!!! You've just whacked yourself on the head. You've been saying that if a woman is Bisexual, it's because she only wants to have both, not necessarily one or the other, societal influence playing no role in this. and now WOOSH! girls do it only for the tease, or to turn guys on, never actually planning a real sexual experience....Was that simple enough? Can you understand how you contradicted yourself?
No, you are misinterpreting my post.
The whole time I've been posting to you, I've been questioning your reasoning behind saying that bisexuals are MORE LIKELY TO BECOME LESBIAN.
I never said societal influence isn't there, or that it doesn't force girls to change sexuality completely. I'm saying that in the case (this case) of bisexuals only (only), them being bisexual isn't a guarantee that they are MORE likely to become lesbian. Your rationale was that societal influence would play a part in making a bisexual girl (very general remark) a lesbian. As if it was some forgone conclusion. That's how your post came across and you further enforced that belief when I asked you repeated questions.
Which is not the story in most cases.
Originally posted by Wickerman
Etch-a-Sketch!!!! 😱 i LOVE those things.
Maybe next time you can use it to make yourself a nice little sketch on how not to contradict yourself 😉~wickerman~
Maybe next time you can learn to look at what I'm drawing rather than assuming what I'm drawing and being wrong 😄.
Originally posted by HimoKun
AC just got owned.
I never get owned, dear boy. Ever. As I'm proving.
A long post of 5 quotes, 2 being relevant, does not equate to owning. It equates to making impressionable people think he's owning.
Oh wait....
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, you are misinterpreting my post.The whole time I've been posting to you, I've been questioning your reasoning behind saying that bisexuals are MORE LIKELY TO BECOME LESBIAN.
My reasoning was fully based on societal influence, as was stated both by myself and syren countless times. Therefore, if you were questioning my reasoning, you were questioning societal influence.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never said societal influence isn't there, or that it doesn't force girls to change sexuality completely.
There you go with the contradicting again 🙄 look up and read
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm saying that in the case (this case) of bisexuals only (only), them being bisexual isn't a guarantee that they are MORE likely to become lesbian.
Well now....here we go again....where'd you put that Etch-a-Sketch??? Again...for the...third time i think....
- if them being bisexual does not increase the chances for them to become lesbians, then them being straight also does not increase the chances for them to become lesbians/bisexuals. This is an argument often used to try to prove than societal influence does NOT exist
But....OMG 😑 looky here: "I never said societal influence isn't there, or that it doesn't force girls to change sexuality completely. "
Can you say con-trah-deek-tion?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Your rationale was that societal influence would play a part in making a bisexual girl (very general remark) a lesbian. As if it was some forgone conclusion. That's how your post came across and you further enforced that belief when I asked you repeated questions.Which is not the story in most cases.
Something tells me you didn't read all of my posts, especially the ones i made when speaking to Syren, before you came back. Go read them 👆
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Maybe next time you can learn to look at what I'm drawing rather than assuming what I'm drawing and being wrong 😄.-AC
The way you try to make your point, it seems like you yourself don't know what you're drawing ❌
~wickerman~
Oh and for those not in the know, a little thing you should read. Because I see we have a few cheerleaders:
Originally posted by Wickerman
If Jane is straight and she meets sally who is gay (going by the society influences principle) Jane won't give a damn about Sally's hitting on her. If Jane is a bisexual and she meets Sally, she might go out with her, even enter a long stable relationship, that can lead to Jane's decision to be a lesbian. So....the way i see it (if using the society influences principle) , bisexuals are more prone to becoming lesbians....what didn't you understand? Maybe i wasn't clear enough.~wickerman~
The post I've been replying to, by Wickerman.
You claiming that a bisexual is almost guaranteed to become a fully fledged lesbian (as noticed by Syren also), just because she chooses to be bisexual and/or enter a relationship with a woman. Which is, of course, wrong. For reasons I've stated and reasons you've agreed with.
So if going into specifics that needn't be gone into makes YOU feel better, rock and roll.
Now re read my posts and see how badly you misintepreted them before you come back with any witty, nooby impressing posts.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh and for those not in the know, a little thing you should read. Because I see we have a few cheerleaders:The post I've been replying to, by Wickerman.
You claiming that a bisexual is almost guaranteed to become a fully fledged lesbian (as noticed by Syren also), just because she chooses to be bisexual and/or enter a relationship with a woman. Which is, of course, wrong. For reasons I've stated and reasons you've agreed with.
So if going into specifics that needn't be gone into makes YOU feel better, rock and roll.
Now re read my posts and see how badly you misintepreted them before you come back with any witty, nooby impressing posts.
-AC
While you're back there trying to dig stuff up to get you out of the craphole you tossed yourself into, read this too honeybunny:
Originally posted by Wickerman
Not even by a longshot. I'm not saying she'd automatically become one as if Sally were wielding some evil lesbian magic spells 😆
All i'm saying is that seeing as how Jane would enter that relationship, the chances are higher for her to become a lesbian than they are for the straight Jane that wouldn't even enter that relationship. 😉~wickerman~
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
My reasoning was fully based on societal influence, as was stated both by myself and syren countless times. Therefore, if you were questioning my reasoning, you were questioning societal influence.
Read what I just posted.
I was questioning you making the obvious claim that, whatever the cause, bisexuals are prone to lesbianism.
Which is crap.
Originally posted by Wickerman
There you go with the contradicting again 🙄 look up and read
Yes. You look up and read.
Originally posted by Wickerman
Well now....here we go again....where'd you put that Etch-a-Sketch??? Again...for the...third time i think....- if them being bisexual does not increase the chances for them to become lesbians, then them being straight also does not increase the chances for them to become lesbians/bisexuals. [b]This is an argument often used to try to prove than societal influence does NOT exist
But....OMG 😑 looky here: "I never said societal influence isn't there, or that it doesn't force girls to change sexuality completely. "Can you say con-trah-deek-tion?[/b]
No, I can say con-tra-dic-tion. Which is, of course, the correct pronounciation 🙂.
Secondly, you are missing the fact that the only problem I had with your posts were that REGARDLESS OF ANY CAUSE BROUGHT UP BY ANYONE HERE, being a bisexual does not automatically make you prone to lesbianism. Being straight does not make you prone to bisexualism.
Are you following me Mr. Pink? Or do I have to do a Reservoir Dogs in your ear? 🙂.
Originally posted by Wickerman
Something tells me you didn't read all of my posts, especially the ones i made when speaking to Syren, before you came back. Go read them 👆
Well considering the huge fact that you have misintepreted everything I've been getting at thus far, you should do the reading.
-AC
Originally posted by Wickerman
[COLOR=deeppink]While you're back there trying to dig stuff up to get you out of the craphole you tossed yourself into, read this too honeybunny
Funny little retort about me finding stuff that actually makes show that you have interpreted me wrong. However...
I read it, my point stands.
Why is the chance higher? Just because she's entered a relationship? You're making it sound as if it's factual. It's not.
"Sally" entering a relationship doesn't mean she's automatically going to be more prone to lesbianism, by fact.
Many girls go from girl/girl to girl/boy and back.
Don't see what's so difficult.
Himo: If you've got nothing to contribute, don't play a cheerleader. Second, I didn't insult you. You clearly saw the long pretty pink post and chose to chime in. I chimed you out.
Simple.
Next.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Funny little retort about me finding stuff that actually makes show that you have interpreted me wrong. However...I read it, my point stands.
Why is the chance higher? Just because she's entered a relationship? You're making it sound as if it's factual. It's not.
"Sally" entering a relationship doesn't mean she's automatically going to be more prone to lesbianism, by fact.
Many girls go from girl/girl to girl/boy and back.
Don't see what's so difficult.
Himo: If you've got nothing to contribute, don't play a cheerleader. Second, I didn't insult you. You clearly saw the long pretty pink post and chose to chime in. I chimed you out.
Simple.
Next.
-AC
I'm sorry about insulting you, I went over the line. And you did insult me.
And most people I know who have been bisexuals, will stay a bisexual or become a lesbian. I have never seen anyone go back to having a hetereosexual relationship.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Read what I just posted.I was questioning you making the obvious claim that, whatever the cause, bisexuals are prone to lesbianism.
Which is crap.
*sigh* it's crap, if you go by the concept that it's inherent and not influenced by society at all. And you've already ADMITTED a thousand times in this thread that you ACKNOWLEDGE society's influence. What i understand is that you acknowledge this, but still fail to see how the simple logic works. Which is quite strange, seeing as how you'd have to be 11 to not understand it.
Having said that, the only way that statement is crap is if you don't accept societal influence. And you've already accepted it. (there ya go sugahcake...made it easier for you)
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes. You look up and read.No, I can say con-tra-dic-tion. Which is, of course, the correct pronounciation 🙂.
🙄 NOOOOOOOOOO....your words wound me like a thousand poisoned daggers
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Secondly, you are missing the fact that the only problem I had with your posts were that REGARDLESS OF ANY CAUSE BROUGHT UP BY ANYONE HERE, being a bisexual does not automatically make you prone to lesbianism.
you're just saying what you said a few lines above in this same post, and my answer is the same
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Being straight does not make you prone to bisexualism.
That was never questioned nor debated
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Are you following me Mr. Pink? Or do I have to do a Reservoir Dogs in your ear? 🙂.
cheeky little devil 😮
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well considering the huge fact that you have misintepreted everything I've been getting at thus far, you should do the reading.-AC
I haven't been misinterpreting anything, i've been trying to show you how you keep contradicting yourself.
~wickerman~
Exactly.
It's not a foregone conclusion that bi's will become lesbian, or that they are more prone to.
No I didn't insult you. I used the term impressionable noobie. If that's not what you are, then that's not what you are. Your post made me believe otherwise.
Either way. Apology accepted. I appreciate and respect that.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Funny little retort about me finding stuff that actually makes show that you have interpreted me wrong. However...I read it, my point stands.
Why is the chance higher? Just because she's entered a relationship? You're making it sound as if it's factual. It's not.
"Sally" entering a relationship doesn't mean she's automatically going to be more prone to lesbianism, by fact.
Many girls go from girl/girl to girl/boy and back.
Don't see what's so difficult.
Himo: If you've got nothing to contribute, don't play a cheerleader. Second, I didn't insult you. You clearly saw the long pretty pink post and chose to chime in. I chimed you out.
Simple.
Next.
-AC
Sally was the one that was already a lesbian. Goes to prove just how well you read the posts 👆
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
*sigh* it's crap, if you go by the concept that it's inherent and not influenced by society at all. And you've already ADMITTED a thousand times in this thread that you ACKNOWLEDGE society's influence. What i understand is that you acknowledge this, but still fail to see how the simple logic works. Which is quite strange, seeing as how you'd have to be 11 to not understand it.Having said that, the only way that statement is crap is if you don't accept societal influence. And you've already accepted it. (there ya go sugahcake...made it easier for you)
Why are you continually talking of misunderstanding when you are the one who can't grasp the fact that all I was saying (to which you agreed) was that regardless of influence, it's not foregone that bisexuals are more prone to lesbianism as you would like to claim. Relationship involved, or not.
Originally posted by Wickerman
🙄 NOOOOOOOOOO....your words wound me like a thousand poisoned daggers
We both know they don't, nor were they intended to. So lets move on.
Originally posted by Wickerman
you're just saying what you said a few lines above in this same post, and my answer is the same
So you believe, in all honesty, relationship or not, that any bisexual is more prone to lesbianism? No bisexual can actually be just bi? Even WITH being in a relationship? I'm asking, not assuming.
Originally posted by Wickerman
I haven't been misinterpreting anything, i've been trying to show you how you keep contradicting yourself.~wickerman~
I haven't though. I've shown you where I haven't and even where it may have seemed I did due to crossed purposes, I've straightened it out and you still refuse to acknowledge that you assumed and overlooked. Not to mention being wrong to do so.
Originally posted by Wickerman
Sally was the one that was already a lesbian. Goes to prove just how well you read the posts 👆~wickerman~
Ohhh, you really ARE scrounging for ammo. It was a simple name mistake. No deeper, the principles of said character remained in correct perception.
So try again, honeybunny.
-AC