Why?
If anything it's 50/50, because she likes both genders.
A straight woman, for arguements sake, say has no chance of turning lesbian because she likes guys, right?
Well, if she then decides she likes chicks, that would make it at the very least, a split decision. Depending on her level of preference.
By becoming bisexual, she isn't choosing women over men, she's choosing women too.
I thought you'd have known this.
People seem to be of the misconception that becoming bisexual automatically means leaning toward chicks. It doesn't, in the least.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let me right off the blocks and say this; What if we don't go by the principle that sexual preferences are a societal influence? As they can come from many things? Would that be ok? Good. We shall proceed then.If a girl finds girls more sexually or emotionally satisfying, it doesn't mean she will become a lesbian. Just prefer girls over guys, which she can very easily still be attracted to.
If a girl is bisexual and gets hit on by a lesbian, it doesn't make her any prone to being lesbian, because most bisexuals are only bisexual because they don't want to choose, they feel fine with liking both.
I don't see where you gain this preconception that bisexual females are more likely to be lesbian.
-AC
My whole previous points were based on the assumption that we were going by the "society influences" principle. Which is why i'm not denying what you just said.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Basically, Wickerman is saying bisexuals are more inclined to become lesbian.Why is that?
Just because they've chosen to like females ALSO, doesn't mean they've chosen to like females more.
-AC
Because as said for a thousand times, i was using the "society influences" principle, and therefore, a bisexual that even considers getting into a relationship that MAY eventually lead to becoming a lesbian has more chances of becoming one than a straight woman that doesn't even consider getting into a relationship with a bisexual/lesbian
~wickerman~
Why? Society is all around us.
I don't see what you're trying to do by saying that societal influence makes any difference.
Alot of people are talking about how it's "cool" to be into girls if you're a girl, due to societal pressure. What you need to realise is that those girls will most likely never ever have a major sexual encounter with the same sex because it's not what they're about. They're about the tease, not the act.
If I flirt jokingly with a guy on here so some girls like it, it doesn't mean I'm more likely to become gay.
You're basing it on nothing.
-AC
I think the bottom line is that if a woman feels an attraction to females as well as males, she can consider herself bisexual. If the attraction is only toward females then most likely she is a lesbian and if it's only towards males, she is straight. Where's the confusion here? If a woman is bisexual and decides she no longer feels anything for males, she is a lesbian. End of story. I don't see where the argument is stemming from because in all honesty it should be each to their own, individual choice and absolutely f.uck all to do with anyone else. Especially obnoxious members of an internet chat site who seem to see it as their calling in life to provoke other people.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why? Society is all around us.I don't see what you're trying to do by saying that societal influence makes any difference.
Alot of people are talking about how it's "cool" to be into girls if you're a girl, due to societal pressure. What you need to realise is that those girls will most likely never ever have a major sexual encounter with the same sex because it's not what they're about. They're about the tease, not the act.
If I flirt jokingly with a guy on here so some girls like it, it doesn't mean I'm more likely to become gay.
You're basing it on nothing.
-AC
You can't argue the existence of societal influence AC, no matter how hard you try 🙄
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why? Society is all around us.I don't see what you're trying to do by saying that societal influence makes any difference.
Alot of people are talking about how it's "cool" to be into girls if you're a girl, due to societal pressure. What you need to realise is that those girls will most likely never ever have a major sexual encounter with the same sex because it's not what they're about. They're about the tease, not the act.
If I flirt jokingly with a guy on here so some girls like it, it doesn't mean I'm more likely to become gay.
You're basing it on nothing.
-AC
1. By your response i take it you have no clue about what the "societal influence" principle regarding homosexuality is, and you're just trying to logically deduce it. And doing a poor job at that.
2. If you can't see what the difference of using the "societal influence" principle rather than the "inherent" principle is, then you're obviously not fit to carry this discussion forward.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
1. By your response i take it you have no clue about what the "societal influence" principle regarding homosexuality is, and you're just trying to logically deduce it. And doing a poor job at that.
Well considering this topic is stemming around the thread creator referencing girls doing it to look cool, I was honouring that side of influence.
Also the side that, from my own personal experience, there are girls who do things to impress rather than actually what they want to do.
So no, I wasn't doing a poor job. I was on thread topic.
Originally posted by Wickerman
2. If you can't see what the difference of using the "societal influence" principle rather than the "inherent" principle is, then you're obviously not fit to carry this discussion forward.~wickerman~
You brought societal influence in, I was going by the thread topic until you decided that you'd randomly pop up and chime in with something that nobody was discussing to any real extent.
So yes, amen to that 🙂.
So if we can clear up what exactly we're discussing here: Thread topic or something rather irrelevant, I'd be much obliged.
Because nobody has disagreed with the bulk of my posts yet.
I'm sure your replies will be hilarious.
-AC
Originally posted by Syren
Societal influence is relevant, it wasn't wickerman who brought that up! If girls are doing it to look cool, who do you think they are trying to impress? Their peers, usually. These are members of society, no? Ergo, societal influence.
*Claps*
And what do you think I said in the post you quoted? Shall we go take a look? Yes, lets:
"Why? Society is all around us.
I don't see what you're trying to do by saying that societal influence makes any difference.
Alot of people are talking about how it's "cool" to be into girls if you're a girl, due to societal pressure. What you need to realise is that those girls will most likely never ever have a major sexual encounter with the same sex because it's not what they're about. They're about the tease, not the act."
Now, shall I explain to your oblivious self what has happened here? I will.
You've misinterpreted my post. I didn't say societal influence wasn't present, I said it makes no difference in making a girl a lesbian in connection to the theories presented by Wickerman. That being that a bisexual girl is more likely to become a lesbian.
A bisexual girl who likes both, truely, isn't gonna randomly become a lesbian. Syren will prove that. I'm sure no amount of pressure will cause her to become a lesbian. Wickerman makes it seem as though it's a forgone conclusion that bisexual girls are more likely to become lesbians off the back of that, and it's not the case.
As stated multiple posts before when I said:
"People seem to be of the misconception that becoming bisexual automatically means leaning toward chicks. It doesn't, in the least."
Now if you're done assuming, I'm done schooling.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well considering this topic is stemming around the thread creator referencing girls doing it to look cool, I was honouring that side of influence.
😆 Actually no, you're defeating your own points. Yes, exactly, the topic is stemming around the idea of girls doing it to look cool. That is known as societal influence mon ami. What you were doing was ignoring that aspect....you're arguing with yourself....here it is: "Let me right off the blocks and say this; What if we don't go by the principle that sexual preferences are a societal influence? As they can come from many things? Would that be ok? Good. We shall proceed then."
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Also the side that, from my own personal experience, there are girls who do things to impress rather than actually what they want to do.So no, I wasn't doing a poor job. I was on thread topic.
You brought societal influence in, I was going by the thread topic until you decided that you'd randomly pop up and chime in with something that nobody was discussing to any real extent.
So yes, amen to that 🙂.
-AC
Societal influence INCLUDES girls doing that in order to impress rather than actually what they want to do. So basically what you just said was:
" You brought X in, i was going by X until you decided that you'd randomly pop up and chime in with X that nobody was discussing to any real extent"
😆
Man...this is too good.....
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Actually no, you're defeating your own points. Yes, exactly, the topic is stemming around the idea of girls doing it to look cool. That is known as societal influence mon ami. What you were doing was ignoring that aspect....you're arguing with yourself....here it is: "Let me right off the blocks and say this; What if we don't go by the principle that sexual preferences are a societal influence? As they can come from many things? Would that be ok? Good. We shall proceed then."
Yes, as I just explained in the above post, I was getting at things that you weren't aware of, and you assumed I was talking about things that I wasn't referring to. I was speaking exclusively in relation to your posts that bisexuals have more chance to become lesbian. Which were:
A) Far too generalised.
and
B) Wrong. As proven in my above post. If you'll take a minute to not do a Syren and dive in head first. No pun intended.
Originally posted by Wickerman
Societal influence INCLUDES girls doing that in order to impress rather than actually what they want to do. So basically what you just said was:" You brought X in, i was going by X until you decided that you'd randomly pop up and chime in with X that nobody was discussing to any real extent"
😆
Man...this is too good.....
~wickerman~
Yes, but once again:
*Brings out Etch-a-Sketch*
As we can see from the post I made, my point was that societal influence or not, it's not going to automatically force a bisexual female to be more leaning toward females and this more prone to lesbianism, as you would have us believe, in every case.
If you want proof, Syren is there.
This IS too good.
Please continue. Maybe next time I'll have to break out the red ball, spirograph and rubber scissors.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
*Claps*And what do you think I said in the post you quoted? Shall we go take a look? Yes, lets:
"Why? Society is all around us.
I don't see what you're trying to do by saying that societal influence makes any difference.
Alot of people are talking about how it's "cool" to be into girls if you're a girl, due to societal pressure. What you need to realise is that those girls will most likely never ever have a major sexual encounter with the same sex because it's not what they're about. They're about the tease, not the act."
Now, shall I explain to your oblivious self what has happened here? I will.
You've misinterpreted my post. I didn't say societal influence wasn't present, I said it makes no difference in making a girl a lesbian in connection to the theories presented by Wickerman. That being that a bisexual girl is more likely to become a lesbian.
A bisexual girl who likes both, truely, isn't gonna randomly become a lesbian. Syren will prove that. I'm sure no amount of pressure will cause her to become a lesbian. Wickerman makes it seem as though it's a forgone conclusion that bisexual girls are more likely to become lesbians off the back of that, and it's not the case.
As stated multiple posts before when I said:
"People seem to be of the misconception that becoming bisexual automatically means leaning toward chicks. It doesn't, in the least."
Now if you're done assuming, I'm done schooling.
-AC
You don't need to patronise me to make a point. I do read what you write and I tend to absorb your comments and opinions rather better when they are offered in a more gentle manner. When you act like you are superior you really make yourself sound like an arrogant prick.
YOU said societal influence was brought into the discussion by wickerman, I said that it was a part of the discussion already. Where was the reason to completely humiliate me? Thank you AC, once again you have made me want to avoid you and any conversation with you due to your blatant lack of respect for another person's knowledge, capability and individuality. Buy yourself a furby, they don't argue.
Goodnight all, perhaps next time I log on I won't be berated for having a differing opinion.
Originally posted by Syren
You don't need to patronise me to make a point. I do read what you write and I tend to absorb your comments and opinions rather better when they are offered in a more gentle manner. When you act like you are superior you really make yourself sound like an arrogant prick.YOU said societal influence was brought into the discussion by wickerman, I said that it was a part of the discussion already. Where was the reason to completely humiliate me? Thank you AC, once again you have made me want to avoid you and any conversation with you due to your blatant lack of respect for another person's knowledge, capability and individuality. Buy yourself a furby, they don't argue.
Goodnight all, perhaps next time I log on I won't be berated for having a differing opinion.
AC has his mind messed up. You're smarter than me and better looking, more capable,and has a better sense of indivuality. AC just has had a long day. I'm sure he didn't mean to offend you.