Human Torch vs. Pyro

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
what is he gonna do if johnny goes nova

If HT goes nova i think Pyro would just simply take control of it wouldent hurt him at all.

I honestly think Pyro died off to early and his limits were never really confirmed but,his power is to manipulate flame. He can control the instensity of it and i think if Ht tried super nova pyro would bring it down to the kind of flame you would see coming out of a lighter.

And yes it would take great concentration from Pyro to take control of super nova but he could do it

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
what is he gonna do if johnny goes nova

Who says Pyro has more control of Johnny's flames than he does?

And does Pyro have a limit to how much fire he can control?

Originally posted by Kaos sebaceous
If HT goes nova i think Pyro would just simply take control of it wouldent hurt him at all.

I honestly think Pyro died off to early and his limits were never really confirmed but,his power is to manipulate flame. He can control the instensity of it and i think if Ht tried super nova pyro would bring it down to the kind of flame you would see coming out of a lighter.

And yes it would take great concentration from Pyro to take control of super nova but he could do it

Well that was kinda what I am asking has pyro ever controlled or would he be able to control something on the level of johnny's nova blast.

Originally posted by Mindset
Who says Pyro has more control of Johnny's flames than he does?

And does Pyro have a limit to how much fire he can control?

I have never seen a limit to how intense of a fire pyro can control

But i think he is more skilled at fire manipulation than HT is

Usually HT produces just plain streams of fire and stuff but pyro has been shown to create moving fire constructs and i have never seen HT do that.

Originally posted by Kaos sebaceous
I have never seen a limit to how intense of a fire pyro can control

But i think he is more skilled at fire manipulation than HT is

Usually HT produces just plain streams of fire and stuff but pyro has been shown to create moving fire constructs and i have never seen HT do that.

No limits fallacy, just because he hasn't shown a limit doesn't mean he doesn't have one. 😮

And just because Pyro has more ability in making constructs doesn't mean he would have more control over Johnny's flames than Johnny does.

Originally posted by Mindset
No limits fallacy, just because he hasn't shown a limit doesn't mean he doesn't have one. 😮

And just because Pyro has more ability in making constructs doesn't mean he would have more control over Johnny's flames than Johnny does.

Just as easy as you say he could have a limit.

I coulde say just as easy he doesent.

And it doesent matter whos flames it is if Pyro is better than manipulating them he is going to have control

Originally posted by Kaos sebaceous
Just as easy as you say he could have a limit.

I coulde say just as easy he doesent.

And it doesent matter whos flames it is if Pyro is better than manipulating them he is going to have control

No, it's not just as easy...

Has Iceman shown a limit to how much ice he could make? Would you say he can create an infinite amount of ice?

Could Pyro control an infinite amount of fire? No limits fallacy.

Making better constructs = having more control?

Originally posted by Mindset

Making better constructs = having more control?

Originally posted by Mindset
No, it's not just as easy...

Has Iceman shown a limit to how much ice he could make? Would you say he can create an infinite amount of ice?

Could Pyro control an infinite amount of fire? No limits fallacy.

Making better constructs = having more control?

Well maybe, it prolly takes a great deal of skill in fire manipulating to make constructs.

I havent seen the HT do anything with fire that Pyro cant.(well other than generating it)

Hell HT and Pyro could have the same degree of control over fire,but i dont think fire is going to help either on of the fighters win this fight

That's why I say draw.

I just rechecked Pyro's handbook entry from the Book of The Dead from 2004. There is no mention of a limit to the amout if flame Pyro can control.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I just rechecked Pyro's handbook entry from the Book of The Dead from 2004. There is no mention of a limit to the amout if flame Pyro can control.

Yea, that doesn't me he doesn't have one though.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, that doesn't me he doesn't have one though.

When has Pyro absorbed or controlled Nova level heat (heat, not necessarily fire), again? You can speculate all you like about limits, but what exactly are his high end feats?

Can you show me a scan of him not be able to control Nova level heat?

The best I can come up with was when he was overloading Iron Man's armor and causing it to overload. Pyro said that he can make it hotter and hotter.....

I think it comes down to who has better control over fire. How often does Torch go nova or even make a nova-like attack? It doesnt happen as often as people may state. Can he do it whenever he wants? Sure, but thats like last resort for him isnt it?

Its very safe to say that if Pyro sees a flame, he can control it. I honestly cant see torch taking control over one of Pyros flame constructs. Suppose, Pyro just decides to deflame Torch? Torch has to be aflame to fly.

Just my opinion.😬

Originally posted by jrodslam
I think it comes down to who has better control over fire. How often does Torch go nova or even make a nova-like attack? It doesnt happen as often as people may state. Can he do it whenever he wants? Sure, but thats like last resort for him isnt it?

Its very safe to say that if Pyro sees a flame, he can control it. I honestly cant see torch taking control over one of Pyros flame constructs. Suppose, Pyro just decides to deflame Torch? Torch has to be aflame to fly.

Just my opinion.😬

HT could just turn it back on, and while I could see Pyro taking control of flames thrown at him by HT, I don't see him taking control of the flames directly on HT's body imo.

In that non-cannon comic posted earlier HT could do nothing about Pyro controling his destination.

Of course it's non-cannon.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think so. Pyro had made a construct that punched Hulk and knocked his head back....twice.