We're talking about comics, not myths. Hercules supporting Uranus (the heavens) isn't considered canon.
Hulk did exceed their strength. He broke through the wall. They could not. I will find the issue in which the Celestial's tried to destroy the Deviant's wall, and failed.
Galaxy Master, not Grandmaster. Hulk opened his mouth, went inside of him, and destroyed him from the inside out.
Originally posted by Never
Cube, his name is "Olympian." Hercules is an Olympian god.Does his obstinate support of Hercules come as much of a surprise, like "JuggernautFan", "Wolverine8888," and "Sentry?"
Look at this circumstantial evidence. "Odin will go further than Hulk" because Odin used his power to amp him up in order to fight people who destroyed galaxies. Big damn deal. Hulk is as strong as is necessary. Comic book CANON is that Hulk's strength is, for all intents and purposes, limitless.
Limitless. Refamiliarize yourselves with the definition of the term.
You can't assume that, Never. It may be difficult to convince him, but I wouldn't label him a fanboy.
I dont recall anything from Galaxy Master. So he did it with only strenght?
"We're talking about comics, not myths. Hercules supporting Uranus (the heavens) isn't considered canon."
Hercules: Heart of Chaos # 3 says about his depowering strenght: " Once possesed power enought to shake the heavens themselves.." Then he goes on, on having problems with his lower strenght to sent to the sky a weapon that Ares was about to use.
Maybe not a confirmed cannon. Comics both at marvel and DC when using him always implied his helding the earth feat ( at Dc ) and the heavens ( at marvel ). On the other hand in his recent mini we see a reteling of his old feats including that one to get the golden apples. There was no changing on the feats. Including the kiling of Hyppolita that is also cannon now.
"Look at this circumstantial evidence. "Odin will go further than Hulk" because Odin used his power to amp him up in order to fight people who destroyed galaxies. Big damn deal. Hulk is as strong as is necessary. Comic book CANON is that Hulk's strength is, for all intents and purposes, limitless.
Limitless. Refamiliarize yourselves with the definition of the term. "
With all due respect. Thats idiocy. Just because i side with Odin and i already explained why, im a fanboy? Hulk can be virtual limitess all he wants. Doesnt change the fact that Marvel writes and wrote since back then other characters with that powerset.
Destroying galaxies isent a big deal? Then what is a big deal to you. Next youll be telling me Hulk should beat Living Tribunal also.
An opinion is one thing but what your doing its more into fanboysm than another. If Odin can amp in a match he will go further than Hulk. His figths and feats show it.
You dont see me saying that Hercules or Thor have a chance in hell of beating Odin either do you. Heck not even Thanos and hes overall above them.
When was it established that Odin's strength is limitless? When was anyone other than Hulk given limitless strength?
Actually, Hulk became a Marvel Character before Odin did.
Odin has never made himself as strong as a Celestial. Hulk has become stronger than a Celestial. Odin can amp himself to a limit. Hulk can continue to amp his strength without ever stopping. It's limited strength vs. limitless strength.
Thor does not have limitless strength. Neither does Hercules. Hulk couldn't beat Odin or Thanos in an all out fight. He could become stronger than either of them, and he has proven it in his feats.
Query, who has Odin fought that can destroy Galaxies?
"Actually, Hulk became a Marvel Character before Odin did"
Im not contesting that am i. Not that it has to do anything with the thread, Hulk when first showed up wasent said that his strenght was limitess.
"Query, who has Odin fought that can destroy Galaxies?"
Surtur, who did it. Infinity, Who did it. To name just two. Seth to name another.
"When was it established that Odin's strength is limitless? "
In his feats maybe? Odin has plenetary feats as a normal rule. Hulk has those kind of feats has a high end one. And i side with the one who does it often than one " who might " overcome it.
If you take out Odin amp then hulk has his shot. If you dont he will lose. When you can wrestle against a guy that destroied a galaxy and even then you arent defeated toe to toe that speaks for me as a level Hulk and the others dont have.
Unless its high end feats who only happen time to time.
Destroying a Galaxy doesn't require infinite power. It requires enough power to destroy a galaxy. Hulk's strength is potentially limitless, not virtually limitless. The Living Tribunal can destroy the Universe. That's much larger than a galaxy.
I am not saying that Hulk can beat everyone. I am saying that he can exceed anyone in terms of strength, as long as that person has a limit to their strength. Basically, limitless strength > limited strength.
Regardless, you can't destroy a galaxy with physical strength, so mentioning it is pointless.
But you can defeat someone whit that power. And that amps with it. Isent what your discussing here. That Hulk an overcome with strengh someone in the galaxy level range.
Hulk being exactly " potential " and not surely limitess its what makes me step back. When you get the scan about the talk of Celestials and how they didnt do it then i might read it other way. Other than a high end feat where he reached the level.
Originally posted by olympian
"Actually, Hulk became a Marvel Character before Odin did"Im not contesting that am i. Not that it has to do anything with the thread, Hulk when first showed up wasent said that his strenght was limitess.
"Query, who has Odin fought that can destroy Galaxies?"
Surtur, who did it. Infinity, Who did it. To name just two. Seth to name another.
"When was it established that Odin's strength is limitless? "
In his feats maybe? Odin has plenetary feats as a normal rule. Hulk has those kind of feats has a high end one. And i side with the one who does it often than one " who might " overcome it.
If you take out Odin amp then hulk has his shot. If you dont he will lose. When you can wrestle against a guy that destroied a galaxy and even then you arent defeated toe to toe that speaks for me as a level Hulk and the others dont have.
Unless its high end feats who only happen time to time.
Surtur whas present when a galaxy was destroyed, and he created Twilight from dwarf matter. Nowhere did it say that he actually destroyed the Galaxy.
Destroying a galaxy does not require physical strength at all. Surtur does not have limitless strength, either. Surtur was owning Odin and Thor simultaneously. Odin does not have any feats that would suggest that his strength is limitless.
Hulk has countless planetary level feats. Greater and more abundant than Odin.
Originally posted by olympian
With all due respect. Thats idiocy. Just because i side with Odin and i already explained why, im a fanboy?
Fall back. Show me where I ever once referenced you a fanboy. Ever.
Quote where I mentioned "olympian" and "fanboy" in the same sentence. Ever.
I said I am not SUPRISED that you are an ardent supporter considering your chosen moniker. That is all I SAID; that is all that I IMPLIED.
Please explain how that is analagous to "fanboyism."
"Surtur whas present when a galaxy was destroyed, and he created Twilight from dwarf matter. Nowhere did it say that he actually destroyed the Galaxy."
Go back and check the scans i posted. On panel earlier in that saga he was there forging the sword and the galaxy died. Odin later stated exactly that. That Surtur destroyed a galaxy. Another scan i posted has Surtur talking about his powerlevel.
"Surtur was owning Odin and Thor simultaneously"
Thor is a non factor here. Odin before he amped wasent at Surturs level. When he did they became equal, thats where the h2h fight happened. Surtur needed to resort to deceptions to have the best against Odin.
"Destroying a galaxy does not require physical strength at all"
True. But requires a powerset that includes amping to be able to do it. Tecnically if Odin can amp to destroy it so can his strenght.
Oh and Surtur destroyed that galaxy when he was forging his sword. He didnt do it standing up and clapping his fingers. Ill try to search it in case im mistaken here.
"Fall back. Show me where I ever once referenced you a fanboy. Ever."
It was implied. Not that you called me a fanboy. But saying just because i dont take the limitess issue as certain and i side with another character that i see beating Hulk with just strengh as wrong...well.
You didnt called me no, but i dont see the reason of the " im not surprised " either. Is it that strange calling Odin a winner when he can amp himself just because hes fighting the Hulk? When for me he did things more impressive?
Originally posted by olympian
But you can defeat someone whit that power. And that amps with it. Isent what your discussing here. That Hulk an overcome with strengh someone in the galaxy level range.Hulk being exactly " potential " and not surely limitess its what makes me step back. When you get the scan about the talk of Celestials and how they didnt do it then i might read it other way. Other than a high end feat where he reached the level.
I'm trying to find the issue as we speak.
We're talking about physical strength, no who can beat whom. I am asking, who can lift more? Who can overcome the greatest force? Who would win in a contest of pure strength? The answer is indubitably, Hulk.
Hulk can become stronger than anyone, and he has never failed at doing so.
You fail to understand the meaning of the word "limitless." If the Beyonder put the weight of the galaxy into something the size of a boulder, and said "Hulk, you aren't strong enough to lift that," Hulk will struggle at first, but he will lift it. Put in the weight of two galaxies into it. Hulk will struggle at first, but he will lift it. 1000 galaxies. Hulk will lift it. Keep going for as long as you like. That is the definition of the term "limitless."
Originally posted by olympian
Unless its high end feats who only happen time to time.
Holding apart the matter and antimatter orbs isn't just a high end feat. It's physically impossible. Period. It would be easier to lift the weight of the universe. There is no physical force that Hulk cannot overcome.
http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=39391&threadid=492750
Heres a board with Odin feats in comparation with others.
Originally posted by olympian
It was implied. Not that you called me a fanboy. But saying just because i dont take the limitess issue as certain and i side with another character that i see beating Hulk with just strengh as wrong...well.You didnt called me no, but i dont see the reason of the " im not surprised " either. Is it that strange calling Odin a winner when he can amp himself just because hes fighting the Hulk? When for me he did things more impressive?
If I thought you were a "fanboy" like Wolverine8888, JuggernautFan, and VenomFan (before his, um, awakening), I would have most definitely said so.
How you are attempting to tell me what I meant when I wrote it is beyond me. You were incorrect, and do tell how/why one SHOULD be surprised if an individual supports their moniker's character? That is precisely what I said:
Does his obstinate support of Hercules come as much of a surprise, like "JuggernautFan", "Wolverine8888," and "Sentry?"
OBSTINATE. "Stubborn." Not blind.
