Orion vs Full God Hercules

Full God meaning full power/immortal.

Hercules is the prince of power, one of the strongest beings in the universe, Orion has been said to be the strongest humanoid on Earth.

Orion gets his mother box and astro harness(of course)
Hercules gets his adamantium mase and whatever else he uses as weapons.

These two would not get along at all, it'd be funny.

Orin with the astro power beats pretty much every High end brick.

Can someone provide the potential of the astro power, its like cosmic power no.

Toe to Toe....hmmmm rougly equal, both highly skilled, both though and both are immortal ( dont know that much about New gods in general, but they are immortal arent they? ).

Its a toss up. None will quit. And top of that both are stubburn as hell.

Btw are the Hydra arrows allowed 😉

Yeah, he's immortal.
I was going to put him without his motherbox and Astro harness, but without his rage in check via mother box, his strength rises too far for Herc to really handle in a h2h fight.

Sure, why not.
Can they penetrate his force field?

Well they could make Gods wish they wer death. Theyr magical.

About his rage, why you say it would be too much for Herc to handle? Superman never seem to have of a problem to match him.

Dont forget that Herc can go into warrior madness as well.

Superman made the mistake of blasting his motherbox once, Orion flipped out and beat the hell out of him.
Superman has stalemated and lost to him(bloodlusted pre-crisis superman), they are at least around the same strength, Orion is said to be stronger though even with the mother box.

Pre Crisis Superman even it was absurd had actually alot of peers in strengh.

Orion was one and so was Heracles. Wonder Woman was another at the time like Captain Marvel. ( ironically all wer " Gods " ).

Astro Orin wins. But without i see it as a bloodust toss up.

About the rage ill check out to see if its all that.

Yeah, the rage is pretty nuts. His strength goes from Superman level or slightly above to insanly high, potentially limitless.

The astro force that goes through his body surges his strength higher and higher, the AF is basically power from the presence.

The reason why he has to keep his rage in check is because otherwise, he turns basically into a bloodlusted Hulk+astro force, killing anything in sight.

Was he with that rage when he beat Darkseid in Orion # 5 of Simonson?

He seemed to have the astro at first but the looked like he took it off.

Its cool to see another character with Heracles gig of " stronger i get with mad rage. "

He always has the astro force, he only uses the harness to concentrait the power.
I'm pretty sure he had his harness/mother box on when he killed Darkseid. He's always angry and bloodlusted, but when he flipps you really can't mistake it.

When Superman accidently broke his mother box Orion changed and said "Now…you will wish you had never… never… COME INTO EXISTANCE!" and just beat him senseless.

Orion is one of my favorite characters, I only put Hercules up against him because I think Herc could do well.

I like Orion best than 90% of DC characters. Oddly enough i dont like much the Kirby "look" but i really dig the one Simonson got to him. Much cooler.

And Herc does have chances but only on a physicall match. Or using the Hydra arrows before he gets his force field on.

This is one of the fights that i never know what to answer, without both having " weapons ".

Damn i want a classical Jugs/Hercules and an Orion/Hercules one shots.

Kirby invented him, so I can't say I don't like the look he gave him, but I do like the simonson look from his series more so.
The Kirby look is dated.

Orion was the only hero I knew in DC who really didn't mind killing.....anyone.

Cap Marvel, Vartox and Mon El etc were pre crisis peers, Orion was't and neither was Wonderwoman

Originally posted by olympian
Pre Crisis Superman even it was absurd had actually alot of peers in strengh.

Orion was one and so was Heracles. Wonder Woman was another at the time like Captain Marvel. ( ironically all wer " Gods " ).

Astro Orin wins. But without i see it as a bloodust toss up.

About the rage ill check out to see if its all that.

Captian Marvel wasn't near Superman's equal in strength? I thought that was the common thought about him.

"Cap Marvel, Vartox and Mon El etc were pre crisis peers, Orion was't and neither was Wonderwoman"

Wrong. Wonder Woman and Supes had one fight and it was a stalemate. One draw by Garcia Lopez.

Orion Pre Crisis was Supes level. Thats one of the things the crisis didnt changed in relation of Superman. Hes still a peer. Unlike WW relation to supes post crisis.

And Captain Marvel wasent a peer? Is that why he actually have - wins - against Superman? And that must be also the reason why Supes at this time starts ripping off Captain Marvels powers and background, because he wasent a peer.

Heracles was also, Mon- El another, Vartox another, Wonder Woman another, Orion another and Shavam who was a Supes villain was too.

Orion was definatly at least equal, and by some accounts his superior in strength. Now, it's more than likely he's even more superior to current supes, since Orion hasn't been effected by the crisis.

Originally posted by olympian
"Cap Marvel, Vartox and Mon El etc were pre crisis peers, Orion was't and neither was Wonderwoman"

Wrong. Wonder Woman and Supes had one fight and it was a stalemate. One draw by Garcia Lopez.

Orion Pre Crisis was Supes level. Thats one of the things the crisis didnt changed in relation of Superman. Hes still a peer. Unlike WW relation to supes post crisis.

And Captain Marvel wasent a peer? Is that why he actually have - wins - against Superman? And that must be also the reason why Supes at this time starts ripping off Captain Marvels powers and background, because he wasent a peer.

Heracles was also, Mon- El another, Vartox another, Wonder Woman another, Orion another and Shavam who was a Supes villain was too.

It was excepted Pre Crisis Supes was the strongest of the JLA, Orion was weaker Pre crisis accept it. Excuse me Fawcett Comics created Marvel after Superman. I didn't mention Marvel as he was obviously a peer. I do not have the issure you talk of, I do have the Superboy and Legion one though where Superboy travels to 1974 and lifts more than Wonderwoman😄

Keep the faith😄

Stay Whirly 🤘

It's really hard to say, I mean they did fight h2h pretty squarly with niether really showing who's stronger until Orion's motherbox got smashed, then it was pretty appearant who was stronger.

But then again, Superman has more feats of strength, and it sorta seemed as though he might have tried to hold back at first.

Superboy is stronger than PC Captian Marvel?
Jesus, I really don't know anything about CM....

"It was excepted Pre Crisis Supes was the strongest of the JLA"

And? There are other heroes besides the JLA. WW didnt lost against him so she cant be that weaker. If she has a max higher or not its another story.

"Orion was weaker Pre crisis accept it"

Yeah, thats why unlike Superman he has a win/near win against Pre Crisis Darkseid. I accept that 😉

"Excuse me Fawcett Comics created Marvel after Superman."

And where did i said they didnt? He was an amalgamation like Supes. It doesnt change the fact that DC copied Captain Marvel when he became more popular than Supes. How?

A bald rival cientist in Dr Silvana= Bald_mad_scientist Luthor came later.

Flying= Marvel did it first.

Strength= Marvel started to do crazy feats first. Like tossing asteroids into orbit and figthing beings from the past and future.

Background= Marvel " familiy ". DC copied the whole Superman familiy from it. Superboy/girl/dog/uncle wharever.

And Pre Crisis Superboy was as strong if not stronger than Superman.