Orion vs Full God Hercules

"The trade was released in 1991 the original arc was 1983 - 84"

But was it the great darkness saga? That saga is recent.

It's hard to convey in retrospect how suffused with tension these issues were they originally appeared in issues #287, 290-294, and Annual #3, in 1982-1984. Recently released in trade form, likely due to the burgeoning popularity of the new series, this was a Legion epic that lived up to the name with scope and menace. From the teaser in #287, which indicates that things are not quite right on that barren, familiar world, to the coda of Annual #3, shock really did follow shock as the Legion struggled against the one menace that could have conceivably destroyed the universe. Who's strong enough to do that? Darkseid is.

http://www.shotgunreviews.com/comics/greatdarknesssaga.html

Point made, Its the Great Darkness Saga

1982 -84 earlier than I remember, starting to think you make stuff up, I will check everything you say from now on.

Was confusing with Rock of Ages whos also a Darkseid Tale and its more recent.

"starting to think you make stuff up, I will check everything you say from now on."

Be my guest. Its there for check.

And Pre Crisis Superboy is stronger than the man, check that out too.

No but you obviously don't know much pre crisis to get the best series precrisis from the Legion muddled with an average post crisis JLA story.
If you haven't read it you can't disagree with the truth from one who has and challeges you to read it.

That tale being the best pre crisis story is a matter of opinion. And mine can be different.

That story doesnt take the other stories theyr truth. Read Wonder Woman against Superman. Read Heracles against Superman. Read Superman getting beaten by Mongul. And read Orion winning against Darkseid. Read captain Marvel beating Superman and vice versa.

Great darkness saga is a story that shows how badass Pre Crisis Darkseid was. So does Rock of ages. Really different here. Theyr both about Darkseid beating on everyone.

Doesnt erase the fact Pre crisis Orion has a near win if not a win at all - once - ( some time since i read it ) while Superman never did. Pre Crisis Superboy its another level.

pre Crisis Suberboy was weaker than Mon el😄 Mon el was a very slight bit higher than Superman, not much
The Great Darkness is generally considered the best, which is why its still in print. Unless like me your lucky enough to have the original issues and the trade.
I remeber Orion and the new gods generally as being much weaker in comparision Pre Crisis, with the exceptions of Highfather and Darkseid. Superboy pre crisis was created by the time trapper, he was a clone if you will, his powers were not as great as pre crisis Superman. This can be proved easily using feats etc.

Keep the faith😄

Play honestly😄

Don't make stuff up🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

How can you say Orion is weaker than Darkseid when he has actually beaten and killed him.

If you say DS is equal or greater than PC supes, then you'd be saying Orion is as well.

Orion actually try's to kill Darkseid in the Grat Darkness Saga and I think this is the story everyone on here is getting confused about😄 He doesn't kill him. Highfathers clone doesn't kill him either. The fact Darkseid is alive in the 30th Century Pre Crisis kind of proves this. People are listening to what they heard and not what happened or what they read😄.

Read it and see😄

What ?? DS wasnt killed back then ??

Full God Hercules is near indestructible.He can be killed only in Olympus, so, when he's fighting outta that dimension, he's immortal.Even if someone possess such power to damage or injure him, he'll heal back at outstanding rate that will make Hulk and Wolverine looking like they are 2nd rate regenerative guys.
Orion on the other hand possess a high degree of invulnerability which rival that of Superman, his strenght and power are CONTAINED from the mother box.Orion's real nature is revealed when you broke it or he's separated from it.Like when he beat the crap outta the Man Of Steel, his face change in appearence and his berserker rage make him a near unstoppable force.
I think he and Herc will stalemate.
whirlysplat Orion has been written in a crap manner on major occasions, when the writers remember who he is, he stomp anything/anyone on his path.

Darkseid indeed was killed. They faught in another dimention and Orion won.
Of course he's back, but he was killed.

He WAS killed, that settlles it back to topic !!!

Originally posted by long pig
Darkseid indeed was killed. They faught in another dimention and Orion won.
Of course he's back, but he was killed.

Pre crisis he was not killed to my knowledge please give me a reference😄

I thought we were back to topic ??

It may very well be PC DS, it was in new gods #20.
But the thing is, the Darkseid today is pre-crisis Darkseid, he and none of the other new gods were effected by the IC.

So, technically yes, he beat PC Darkseid.

The new gods were revamped by the Crisis, just subtlely proof is Darkseid can't move planets instantly though Space anymore. The whole contnuity was altered by Crisis. Not just what you saw, whole events were wiped, its another thing people on this board don't get. I guess you had to read crisis at the time and not just the trade which omits a lot😄

So, DS is weak !!

I've always wanted to know, why if Darkseid possess the Omega Force he can't use it to levitate or fly or erect force fields and so?
I mean, he can blast you with Omega Beams, use punches and kicks, but if a low level Class 100 like Colossus throw him in outerspace with success what he's gonna do?

Originally posted by K3VIL
I've always wanted to know, why if Darkseid possess the Omega Force he can't use it to levitate or fly or erect force fields and so?
I mean, he can blast you with Omega Beams, use punches and kicks, but if a low level Class 100 like Colossus throw him in outerspace with success what he's gonna do?

Right allow me to answer, I time existed, lets call it pre crisis (because thats when it was) When all the things you mention and more could be done by Darkseid. Then the Crisis came and Darkseid was depowered, he has been depowered further and further over the last twenty years. The Scary thing is Crisis doesn't seem like 20 years ago to me 😕 but it is😄

whirly that's crap.
I mean I've always looked at DS like the Thanos of the D.C. Universe, the guy with a league of his own, but they have reduced him to a punching ball bi.t.c.h.