Originally posted by K3VIL
whirly that's crap.
I mean I've always looked at DS like the Thanos of the D.C. Universe, the guy with a league of his own, but they have reduced him to a punching ball bi.t.c.h.
"pre Crisis Suberboy was weaker than Mon el Mon el was a very slight bit higher than Superman, not much"
Yes Pre Crisis Superboy was slighty weaker than Mon-el. So was Superman. Nothing new here.
"The Great Darkness is generally considered the best, which is why its still in print. Unless like me your lucky enough to have the original issues and the trade."
Its a story like any other, doesnt interest me. If it does to you, kudos.
"I remeber Orion and the new gods generally as being much weaker in comparision Pre Crisis, with the exceptions of Highfather and
Darkseid. "
Now whos making things up? "much weaker?". Check all the fights between Orion and Darkseid. Youll find out Dark never won - all - of them. Orion was one of the strongest.
"Superboy pre crisis was created by the time trapper, he was a clone if you will, his powers were not as great as pre crisis Superman."
Nice but you only found that post crisis. He wasent a clone, he was someone that existed in two different timelines. Its like someone separating you in two different places. Its still you and not a clone. He was at least equal if not stronger.
Featwise they wer the same. Planet movers.
Did pre crisis Superman (not superboy) ever fought validus or another being that looked like a huge Hulk flaming Torch?
Superboy - No he was the time trappers creation, part of the whole pocket universe he had created. Yes we only found out about that in the time trapper legion arc that fed into crisis.
Darkseid beat orion every time precrisis, to my knowledge, reference if you know more. I certainly never read it.
Supes performed some much more impressive precrisis feats read the pre crisis battle with Sathanus and Blaze where he was split into. He defeats high magic by phasing in and out of time. He also travels instantly, yes instantly around the earth😄
Keep the faith the trapper created the pocket dimension
Validus was created by Darkseid he was the time displaced son of lighting lad and Saturn girl (it all goes back to the great darkness saga). And yes Supes fouhgt far worse like Sathanus.
Keep the faith
read the comics you talk about😄
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"Superboy - No he was the time trappers creation, part of the whole pocket universe he had created. Yes we only found out about that in the time trapper legion arc that fed into crisis"
Post the scan then. It says Time trapper picked a part of Supes in the timeline and created another. Thats not a Clone.
Your right. You should read the comics.
And in case you didnt knew, Superboy travels in time as well and its a planet pusher like Supes.
Originally posted by olympian
"Superboy - No he was the time trappers creation, part of the whole pocket universe he had created. Yes we only found out about that in the time trapper legion arc that fed into crisis"Post the scan then. It says Time trapper picked a part of Supes in the timeline and created another. Thats not a Clone.
Your right. You should read the comics.
And in case you didnt knew, Superboy travels in time as well and its a planet pusher like Supes.
Unlike you I did read the comics😄
Its not a traditional method of cloning but the DNA would be identical to supes ergo a time clone 😄 You also need to understand a clone is a identical duplicate this is what superboy would be. Your wrong again😄
Keep the faith😄
Stay in school😄
Don't fiddle 😄
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Post a scan to say I'm wrong that his a "duplicate" of supes, genetic duplicate ergo = clone. Your wrong I'm right live with it, you have been throughout this thread. You didn't even know the comics name 😂 and anyone who has read that arc knows your wrong and you've posted it here for all to see😄
"Its not a traditional method of cloning but the DNA would be identical to supes ergo a time clone You also need to understand a clone is a identical duplicate this is what superboy would be. Your wrong again"
Then its not a clone. Its the same person who was deslocated in two different timelines. In the story where Supes went to the Supergirl Universe its stated TT Removed a fraction of Supes " real universe " and created other wich history went another way.
Thats not a clone. If you dont know what a clone is just say so.
"Post a scan to say I'm wrong that his a "duplicate" of supes, geneti duplicate ergo = clone. Your wrong I'm right live with it, you have been throughout this thread. You didn't even know the comics name "
You brought it up, you post. Im even going to say wich comic it says he isent a clone. Its during the saga where Superman goes to the Supergirl - timeline- where Superboy died. Its the second issue of that saga (1988) and its explained in the first five pages.
" You didn't even know the comics name "
Excuse me? What i didnt knew was if it was pre crisis or not. 😛
Time paradox its not the same person😄 A little problem is it grew up in a completely different way and has a distinct different life. Therefore not the same person, same genetic information same source but not the same person, it was not a timeline its a pocket universe.
I have a degree in molecular biology genetics is my main postgraduate qualification. I can quote from Stryer if you want a genetically identical individual is a clone again your wrong. I'm right.
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whyrly lets see if we get things straight. Its not a clone as - a - clone right? There was no genetic manipulation. He picked a fraction of one universe and created a pocket one basing on that. For me that means its the same person that was splitted in different timelines. Everyone from the actual Universe had two different timelines going for.
"A little problem is it grew up in a completely different way and has a distinct different life."
But thats what im saying. Its the same person with two different ends. Different cultures yes, different ways of living and history but it was still "Superman".
We will just have to agree to disagree here.
Its a genetic duplicate, genetic manipulation is not needed they share the same DNA.
You admit they are the same? Genetically identical yet you say superboy is stronger 😕
Yes it was still Superman but it was not Superman therefore it was a being created from part of the original that was genetically identical. Anyway thats cut its a clone. Anyway thats cut his powers are less than an adult superman. The pocket Universe/is not a fully fledged alternative universe, it is more like a bubble read a book Yahman and I were discussing called Hyperspace (its theoretical physics/it goes into this kind of pocket universe and the paradox that is superboy/ it even uses the time clone idea).
Keep the faith😄
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Originally posted by olympian
whyrly lets see if we get things straight. Its not a clone as - a - clone right? There was no genetic manipulation. He picked a fraction of one universe and created a pocket one basing on that. For me that means its the same person that was splitted in different timelines. Everyone from the actual Universe had two different timelines going for."A little problem is it grew up in a completely different way and has a distinct different life."
But thats what im saying. Its the same person with two different ends. Different cultures yes, different ways of living and history but it was still "Superman".
We will just have to agree to disagree here.
Genetic Manipulation Bwahahaha
Plant cuttings are clones
There are several reasons that you may want to clone your plant, the most obvious being, that you don't have any seed. Cloning might be your only option in this case. Another reason that you might want to take cuttings is to control the Quality of the plant(s). Let me explain: Every seed, like every human being, is slightly different. Genetically, no two plants are the same, DNA works in plants much the same way as humans. So if you have a plant that is just what you want it to be you can take cuttings to "clone" your special plant. Over time you could make about a bazillion genetically identical clones if you wanted to.
http://www.simplyhydro.com/cuttings.htm
You haven't a clue😄
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"You admit they are the same? Genetically identical yet you say superboy is stronger"
I always admit they are the same. It was you who said Superman was stronger and i said " no ".
"Yes it was still Superman but it was not Superman therefore it was a being created from part of the original that was genetically identical"
My point: It was still Superman. He wasent genetically manipulated per se but instead he was the same guy with the same backstory and emotions that got splited in one timeline taken from another.
"Genetic Manipulation Bwahahaha"
Why are you laugthing of what you said?
Originally posted by olympian
"You admit they are the same? Genetically identical yet you say superboy is stronger"I always admit they are the same. It was you who said Superman was stronger and i said " no ".
"Yes it was still Superman but it was not Superman therefore it was a being created from part of the original that was genetically identical"
My point: It was still Superman. He wasent genetically manipulated per se but instead he was the same guy with the same backstory and emotions that got splited in one timeline taken from another.
"Genetic Manipulation Bwahahaha"
Why are you laugthing of what you said?
No you said supes feets were less than Superboy, again you make stuff up 😂 Supes is the adult version of course his stronger 😂
Why am I laughing because no genetic manipulation is needed for a clone😄 If you alter the code it becomes an augment, a clone which has been genetically manipulated😄
Clones are identical. Identical twins, budded plants/bacteria, etc. are all clones in these variation comes from mutation😄 Genetic Manipulation Bwahahahahah, You said you knew what a clone was 😂
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"No you said supes feets were less than Superboy, again you make stuff up Supes is the adult version of course his stronger"
I said combat wise Superboy looked more impressive. And he does, Supes never fought validus and the like did he.
"Why am I laughing because no genetic manipulation is needed for a clone If you alter the code it becomes an augment, a clone which has been genetically manipulated"
First you said its not needed any genes and then you say its genetic manipulation. Make up your mind.
"Clones are identical. Identical twins, budded plants/bacteria, etc. are all clones in these variation comes from mutation"
All correct. Problem is its not what im arguing here.
No this is
and your still wrong😄
In traditional cloning no memories for higher organisms, but a genetically identical time displaced duplicate would. Interestingly the time trapper gave him his back story as well that was all fabrication also.
A clone is a genetically identical duplicate, anyway you cut it Superboy Precrisis is that.
It can't be him lying there as he never died, its a cutting like a cutting from a plant (get your head round the concept). Therefore its a clone. A genetically identical duplicate. Its not Superman though😄
Keep the faith😄
Genetically identical = clone (as at the point it was cut by the timetrapper it became a different individual).
Keep the faith😄
Understand higher concepts like time paradox, displacement, duplication, any Star Trek episode with a transporter malfunction 😉 should help!!!!!
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