Orion vs Full God Hercules

Eh, it's kinda common knowledge WonderWoman is a step below Superman.
I think they let her stalemate with him because of her fanbase, she shouldn't be able to last long against an angry Superman.
I'm no Superman fan, but I know what he can do when he's pissed.

Whirly knows his Superman/Gladiator background, he should give the link of the "First Superman", it's hella interesting.

DC and Marvel both copied superman from the Gladiator guy from the book.

And,(I'm not defending) but Orion knew Darkseids weaknesses and ways to take him out when he killed him, Superman knew next to nothing about him. That in itself gives a bit of prep to Orion.

I can't remember, but I believe Orion deflected Darkseids Omega Beam back to DS with his bare hands, I'm not sure Superman could do that though.

So, ...... Orion wins yes ???

Yeah, he wins.
It's kinda one sided though, the Astro-Force takes it to another league.

Hercules would DEFINATLY give him a decent sized run for his money though, their strength isn't very far apart if any.

I'm still pissed about the Orion vs Surfer fight...........I think he could take Surfer.

She is a step below post crisis. Pre crisis anyone who could give him a fight was a peer in strenght. Like He-man and all the others i mentioned. Savage Hulk at that time also.

About fanbase....i wouldnt bet on it. She doesnt have much of it. At least compared with Superman and some others.

They did both copied Gladiator yes, what i wanted to show is that DC copied elements from Marvel and not just the other way around. Alot of people think Superman was the one who came up with all these
elements originaly and Fawcet ripp it all off.

Agreed. Orion has a huge advantage by knowing his father well. It doesnt change that is was always a peer of him and Supes tho.

"So, ...... Orion wins yes ???"

You mean against Hercules? With Astro yes 😉 without it its too much an unknown battle...and id really want to see it.

It should be a stalemate, bro........ (I'm a SS fan why am I saying this??)

Originally posted by olympian
"It was excepted Pre Crisis Supes was the strongest of the JLA"

And? There are other heroes besides the JLA. WW didnt lost against him so she cant be that weaker. If she has a max higher or not its another story.

"Orion was weaker Pre crisis accept it"

Yeah, thats why unlike Superman he has a win/near win against Pre Crisis Darkseid. I accept that 😉

"Excuse me Fawcett Comics created Marvel after Superman."

And where did i said they didnt? He was an amalgamation like Supes. It doesnt change the fact that DC copied Captain Marvel when he became more popular than Supes. How?

A bald rival cientist in Dr Silvana= Bald_mad_scientist Luthor came later.

Flying= Marvel did it first.

Strength= Marvel started to do crazy feats first. Like tossing asteroids into orbit and figthing beings from the past and future.

Background= Marvel " familiy ". DC copied the whole Superman familiy from it. Superboy/girl/dog/uncle wharever.

And Pre Crisis Superboy was as strong if not stronger than Superman.

You should have just bumped my thread on Miracleman for a very detailed synopsis from John Carter on Mars and Wylies Gladiator to Alan Moores revamp of the Marvelman character.

Pre Crisis Supes was stronger than Orion😄 accept it

The great Darkness Saga where the clone of Orion has snot beat out of him by Superboy kinda proves it😄

Oh no, EVERYONE COPIES EVERYONE, that's the name of the game in comics.

Spiderman lead to Slade lead to Spawn lead to Deadpool.

About the Surfer fight, Surfer hit Orion with ONE blast, Orion didn't have his shield up or anything, and he was taken out by that one shot. Horrible writing, even fore x-overs.

I think astro-force would harm Surfer like the Omega beams did, it's basically magically based and Surfer's weakness is magic.

Not to mention he's stronger and a better fighter and can keep up with lightspeed fighting in space(not on earth, he can only go mach 5 or so).

Basically, he should have as good a chance as Thor does, and then add a forcefield to deflect blasts and super healing(hulk level).

"Pre Crisis Supes was stronger than Orion accept it "

Never! 👿

"The great Darkness Saga where the clone of Orion has snot beat out of him by Superboy kinda proves it"

Thats not Pre Crisis. Hummm! How strong was that Orion clone?

And wouldnt that Superboy be stronger than the post crisis Superman that was in the past 😉

Whirly, Orion faught a clone of himself before and overpowered it quasi-easily.
That kinda shows you the clones are never as powerful as the original.

These were. The Superman Clone was stronger than Superboy, Have you ever read it long pig, its the best precrisis DC story, by a long way. Its Giffen but before his writing went mad. Its genius and still on sale in trade, not much pre crisis is read it mate, its cool.

If that clone wasent at least stronger than regular Orion its not a big feat.

Originally posted by olympian
If that clone wasent at least stronger than regular Orion its not a big feat.

Whyrly....Darkness saga isent pre crisis. Giffen wasent a pre crisis writer.

"It wass his equal in every way right down to the astro force"

Was it stated or showed? If it went that way - with - astro force then that Superboy is ahead of Superman.

Just like he was Pre Crisis 😛

Supez fanboys are getting more annoying theese days, they even post supez in threads that dont concern Supez.... sigh...

Originally posted by olympian
Whyrly....Darkness saga isent pre crisis. Giffen wasent a pre crisis writer.

"It wass his equal in every way right down to the astro force"

Was it stated or showed? If it went that way - with - astro force then that Superboy is ahead of Superman.

Just like he was Pre Crisis 😛

Yes it is precrisis I shall prove it Superboy is part of the Legion. Point made😄 Superboy was removed as part of the Crisis!!!!! Thats what the pokcet Dimension plot was the Legions part of Crisis, it was not 85 but 82 or 83 therefore Precrisis.

On the topic.

Orion with Astro Force wins against Hercules. The only chance Herc would have would be if he had the Hyda arrows and shot him before Orion activated his field. One chance in hell and not likely.

Physicall match its a toss up for me. A crazy and bloody one.

Out of Topic.

You dont need to prove Superboy of the legion of superheroes was ahead of Superman. He always was and i know it.

And that story was written post crisis. If the events are Hypertime its another story.

Originally posted by olympian
On the topic.

Orion with Astro Force wins against Hercules. The only chance Herc would have would be if he had the Hyda arrows and shot him before Orion activated his field. One chance in hell and not likely.

Physicall match its a toss up for me. A crazy and bloody one.

Out of Topic.

You dont need to prove Superboy of the legion of superheroes was ahead of Superman. He always was and i know it.

It was 1983 just checked that makes it Precrisis, I'm losing respect for you Olympian and yes Geffen was writing from 1980

You said The Darkness saga. Thats not 1983. Whats the name of that one

The trade was released in 1991 the original arc was 1983 - 84

Wait, I thought Pre Crisis was 1982 and past....