The Defenders vs. The Avengers

Originally posted by leonidas
i'd not say easily. and i'd put thor against strange (thor beats loki everytime and from what i've seen of the threads most think loki above strange - me i think it's close but strange ain't taking thor down quickly no matter what he does) and ss against ironman. (ss fans laugh all you'd like - i could show a scan of im absorbing ss powers and ko'ing him with it - i could show a similar scan of im absorbing terrax's power and ko'ing HIM with it as well) then herc and wm could work on the hulk. i could also show a scan of a great 1on1 battle cap dished out to namor!! actually, it was an awesome fight, though namor did win it in the end. but it wouldn't BE 1on1 - vizh and hawkeye would help cap ko namor without too much trouble i'd think, then help the others. vizh could solidify in hulk's brain or they could find another way to beat him or at least eliminate him from the fight. then all of them work on strange and ss.

i could certainly see this going either way.

They couldn't take SS down ( all of them)

dude, i don't feel like getting the scan so imagine - im and ss are both in the air - ss blasts him and im lights up as he absorbs the blast then returns it, ko'ing ss and in the process burning out his armor.

and as i said, it wasn't a one time deal - he did the same thing to terrax. so, we each have a scan to back up our point. as i said, the defenders can certainly win, but the avengers can as well.

Originally posted by leonidas
dude, i don't feel like getting the scan so imagine - im and ss are both in the air - ss blasts him and im lights up as he absorbs the blast then returns it, ko'ing ss and in the process burning out his armor.

and as i said, it wasn't a one time deal - he did the same thing to terrax. so, we each have a scan to back up our point. as i said, the defenders can certainly win, but the avengers can as well.

Read Order, One on One they were no match for him, just to contain SS, they had to attack at the same time.

All of them couldn’t scratch the SS

This is pretty recent to 🙂

what Issue did Ironman give SS trouble?

Iron Man can absorb any type of ambient energy (except kinetic, apparently) and he never gets much respect. But this is one isolated incident leo. Surfer could always turn Tony into a pile of Skittles.

it was an avengers annual, #11 i think - avengers v defenders, actually. and as i said, laugh all you'd like - it happened, like it did to terrax. (only im didn't burn out his armor for that and that was more recent.)

this fight could go either way.

<<Iron Man can absorb any type of ambient energy (except kinetic, apparently) and he never gets much respect. But this is one isolated incident leo. Surfer could always turn Tony into a pile of Skittles.>>

amen to that cube, regarding the respect. and he did it to terrax too, don't forget. but i see your point as well ( i mean he did change the obliterator's weapons into, what, bubbles or something??) - like i see kg's. but since it HAS happened, i think we gotta allow for the chance it could happen again, which is why i'd say the avengers COULD win this fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
it was an avengers annual, #11 i think - avengers v defenders, actually. and as i said, laugh all you'd like - it happened, like it did to terrax. (only im didn't burn out his armor for that and that was more recent.)

this fight could go either way.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Iron Man can absorb any type of ambient energy (except kinetic, apparently) and he never gets much respect. But this is one isolated incident leo. Surfer could always turn Tony into a pile of Skittles.>>

amen to that cube, regarding the respect. and he did it to terrax too, don't forget. but i see your point as well ( i mean he did change the obliterator's weapons into, what, bubbles or something??) - like i see kg's. but since it HAS happened, i think we gotta allow for the chance it could happen again, which is why i'd say the avengers COULD win this fight.

True, but if both teams are using all abilities at their disposal (and assuming that Tony doesn't develop a Surferbuster or Strangebuster armor,) the Defenders are far more likely to come out on top. I think it was bubbles, or something like that.

Silver Surfer isn't the most powerful Defender, mind you. Don't forget the Doctor.

yeah, i think thor v strange would be a good one though and could again go either way. even in the bands, thor could control the weather and casting would be a ***** with lightning bolts and hurricane winds raining all 'round him. anywhere strange teleports him, thor could teleport back and vice versa. i'd doubt strange could affect mjollnir so i think that would be a great match. i'd think it would stalemate until the reserves for one or the other showed up, but i DO think this would be the pivotal battle. in the past too, when strange has battled powerful foes, he seems to tire quickly (ie - where he was getting killed by enchantress and executioner - both of whom thor has taken on (combined) and beaten handily) and also when he was dealing with the hulk in #299 - he couldn't even hold hulk in a shield.) i'd give thor a slight edge, based on his experience with magic and his overall power, but i'm not confident on it.

I'm guessing it depends on what suit ironman is using at the time, but if it just his normal one, he can't hang with an all out SS.

I don't know the answer to Thor vs Strange if neither gets any prep, Thor can absorb magical bolts, but not spells. He could always be wrapped up in a shrinking Cyttorak crystal.

Surfer and Strange had a discussion about who was more powerful, neither seemed to be able to answer it the question. But more likely Surfer is a bit more powerful in a flash fight and Dr is more powerful in a prep fight.

I don't see Avangers taking this....ever.

Doc is on another level of power, nowadays. I don't think Thor has much of a chance against Agamotto, much less the rest the Vishanti and the host of other entities Strange can envoke, all of whom are above Skyfather level.

For the magical nullfying trick he used on Jugs, it only works on enchantments. He'd also need to throw it which wouldn't be likely seeing he couldn't move while in the crystal.
Odin was taken down by a sleep spell from the Vishanti book called mists of morphius, Thor could be taken out just as well with the same spell.

This is ridiculous

Just to stop Silver Surfer they had to get advance technology

SS took both Vision and Wonder man with ease

Strange K.O'ed them all once he finished with his spells

Defenders take this pretty easily

Originally posted by leonidas
, when strange has battled powerful foes, he seems to tire quickly (ie - where he was getting killed by enchantress and executioner - both of whom thor has taken on (combined) and beaten handily) and also when he was dealing with the hulk in #299 - he couldn't even hold hulk in a shield.) i'd give thor a slight edge, based on his experience with magic and his overall power, but i'm not confident on it.

I still find that fight where his shields can't handle enchantress suspect, I mean I have a scan where his shields hold up against a supernova, then those same shields prevent Strange from being pulled into the blackhole long enough for him to cork the blackhole.

Sounds way too suspect to me.

A supernova !!! Dude !! Strange handled that with ease, even Thor will be half-dead after exposed to that kinda explosion !!

Here, he takes the brunt of a supernova, then resists it's gravitational pull, then corks the black hole with magic. The other guy screaming "noooo" was some sort of god, Strange throws him into the middle of the supernova.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Iron Man can absorb any type of ambient energy (except kinetic, apparently) and he never gets much respect. But this is one isolated incident leo. Surfer could always turn Tony into a pile of Skittles.>>

amen to that cube, regarding the respect. and he did it to terrax too, don't forget. but i see your point as well ( i mean he did change the obliterator's weapons into, what, bubbles or something??) - like i see kg's. but since it HAS happened, i think we gotta allow for the chance it could happen again, which is why i'd say the avengers COULD win this fight.

He couldn't in the Order.

SS wasn't using any destructive powers against Iron Man.

Iron Man said that the cosmic blast near ripped him apart (something like that)

And He knew SS was holding back

He uses al his power in one Shot ( guess what happens) ----- it has no effect on the Silver Surfer.

While SS is ignoring Iron Man ----- and whining &#8220;saying why am I in the web of violence" Iron Man uses his tools to jack some of his energy.

But guess what

Iron couldn't handle the Energy, and was going to blow up soon.

Like I said thy tried similar shit in Order This time

It was Avenger, still failed

SS took down Vision, WW with ease , he can take most of the avenger with ease

SS can easily break Iron Man to bits really fast ( in bloodlust)

Now thats the Strange I was talking about !!!

A fully powered up Strange is almost unbeatable. He's not usually like that, but when he gets his mojo workin, watch out!

<<He couldn't in the Order.
SS wasn't using any destructive powers against Iron Man.>>

damn man, you don't get it do you? yes he COULD beat im (as your scan shows), but it has been shown (twice) that im is capable of absorbing the power cosmic. he also absorbed thor's lightning to ko thor an an early avengers. cripes, get off it already. i acknowledged ss could beat im - proof twice over shows im can potentially beat ss as well. and if thor can somehow handle strange, avengers can win it. strange's powers are not limitless and i doubt a sleep spell could be used while thor is hurling his hammer at strange. i still say that one's too close to call.

still can go either way in my book.