The Defenders vs. The Avengers

proof twice over shows im can potentially beat ss as well

After it's all said and done.

Bloodlust SS will have no problem, Blasting Iron Man to bits.

Like I said SS can transmute matter as well, he turn Iron's suit into Dust.

My point is if SS is trying Iron Man won't be doing shit like in Order.

Is not like SS can beat Iron Man, and Iron Man also defeat Surfer

If SS is using any powers Iron Man doesn’t even strand a chance apparently even when SS is not fighting , and his powers Iron man couldn’t handle a little of his energies.

Like I said those were SS very early showings

In Order:

Iron Man amp Wonder Man, and Vision ------- as you saw in my scan just to attack SS , and contain him -------- still couldn’t him.

If it takes Avengers to just contain him (iron man included)

Even Wonder man was knocking Silver Surfer around when not trying , but apparently if he uses his powers WonderMan is no problem

in 'order', in 'order' . . . blah blah blah . . .

that avengers annual isnt THAT old - ss was WELL established by then, and he certainly wasn't TRYING to lose. neither was terrax. deny all you like your protestations don't mean jack.

can ss beat im? yes
can im put down ss? yes
how do i know? because he HAS. and has absorbed and redirected the power cosmic, AND thor's lightning as well. he's also ko'd thor with it, and has ko'd savage hulk on his own. what's your problem with im? he's certainly one of marvel's elite. seriously, i don't get why you're having such a hard time wrapping your brain around it. the 'order' showing is countered TWICE. so why should it count anymore than my 2 examples? answer: it shouldn't, and anyone not looking at the facts blindly could see that. im has some AWESOME feats to his name - beating ss is just one among MANY.

no one has done or said anything to make me change my opinion that the avengers would take some of these match ups. and of course, if it's pure 'bloodlust', (like you alluded to above) thor would go warrior mad then it would be hell for the defenders taking THOR, let alone the rest. (don't laugh - he WHOOPED warlock and ss together + the rest of the infinity watch! only moondragon with the mind gem managed to affect him at all)

AMen BRoTHeR!!

Is it possible for Strange to teleport all they shoot at him in another dimension?

And if we talk about weather controlling...

Strange has hella powerful weather control. Rains of Ragnorak can be summoned and he can make lightning attack multiple enemies, increase winds to insane speed level, make it hail...

He has about the same control over weather as Storm.

BTW. That first pic is the shit. 😄

thor crushed storm in weather control. starnge isn't beating thor's control of the elements. he's a god and that's his purview. and i'd doubt he could teleport all attacks - wouldn't matter anyway, even if he COULD that would tie him up and keep him out of the fight til the others settled things - however they fell out.

I don't think anyone said he was any better than Thor at weather control, but he's close.

Thor is the god of thunder, Strange can invoke other gods of weather to equal Thor's weather control.

He's as powerful as the name he invokes, so if he invokes someone with better weather control than Thor, then Strange would have better weather control.

i never actually saw a namor/cap fight.
show me the scans leonidas.
show me the scans!!!!!

There, that's the fight between Cap and Namor, it's very clear who won.

yup.

No tell me who won that fight?

<<show me the scans leonidas.
show me the scans!!!!!>>

i'll see if i can dig the issue up. damn, i was just looking at it . . .

and long, he'd have to invoke zeus to find somone with greater elemental control. and thor even held HIM off - though only briefly. and by the way long, who DO you think wins this fight? avengers? defenders? they split the battles?

Yeah, I don't think Strange is better in weather control, but he's no slouch. I stick by saying he's Storms equal, maybe a few steps ahead since he can "program" the weather to attack certain enemies.

I don't see the Avengers taking the majority if the Defenders are bringing their A-Game, but the Avengers do have a chance. It isn't cut and dry, Defenders 10/10.

I'd say Defenders 8/10 with their A-Game.

8 huh. i was thinking more like defenders 6/10. MAYBE 7. but i think each fight would be very close and more often than not it would likely be thor left standing fighting all the defenders you are left.

I see them with the firm majority, Avengers are for earth threats, Defenders usually fight Universal threats.

It's easy for some people to underestimate Thor, he is a beast when he cuts loose, and he'd most definatly be the last one alive from the Avengers.

What about this Strange vs Thor fight? I can't tell the winner, I made a thread about it a while ago, and no one responded.
Who do you think?

Originally posted by leonidas
in 'order', in 'order' . . . blah blah blah . . .

that avengers annual isnt THAT old - ss was WELL established by then, and he certainly wasn't TRYING to lose. neither was terrax. deny all you like your protestations don't mean jack.

can ss beat im? yes
can im put down ss? yes
how do i know? because he HAS. and has absorbed and redirected the power cosmic, AND thor's lightning as well. he's also ko'd thor with it, and has ko'd savage hulk on his own. what's your problem with im? he's certainly one of marvel's elite. seriously, i don't get why you're having such a hard time wrapping your brain around it. the 'order' showing is countered TWICE. so why should it count anymore than my 2 examples? answer: it shouldn't, and anyone not looking at the facts blindly could see that. im has some AWESOME feats to his name - beating ss is just one among MANY.

no one has done or said anything to make me change my opinion that the avengers would take some of these match ups. and of course, if it's pure 'bloodlust', (like you alluded to above) thor would go warrior mad then it would be hell for the defenders taking THOR, let alone the rest. (don't laugh - he WHOOPED warlock and ss together + the rest of the infinity watch! only moondragon with the mind gem managed to affect him at all)

Avenger had to attack at the same time (with boosted power) couldn't take him out.

2002 ----- Avengers attacking SS (with technology)
vs 1982 ------- things change

Even in 1982 SS was holding back like I said

A blast will destroy Iron Man, SS can turn his Armor into plastic, or Gas , Iron can&#8217;t hurt Silver Surfer ------ he had to absorb SS energy to do anything , even then he was about to explode like I said Iron Man Armor will be tuned to dust in second.

SS nearly destroying Iron Man while holding back, now in bloodlust SS has release energy to blast planets easily = Iron Man dead

SS can change his armor to gas

What can Iron Man do?

How is he going to absorb SS energy? Even a fraction of it Iron Man can&#8217;t handle , and don&#8217;t forget about SS quickness.

Ironman's best shot

Avenger (with tech just to contain Silver Surfer)

kgkg, you got a scan where Strange finishes them all off?