zahit sayeth:
<<If Thor can beat Loki, who's much more powerful than Strange,
then surely Thor can take Strange more often than not.>>
to which digi answereth:
<<Best. Quote. Ever. Where's longpig??>>
to which i respondeth:
hey!! i said that first! 🙂 and thanks for the kind words digi. and i think you're right- the othcome of those fights WOULD decide things. and to the olympian - cap is street level, but he put up one HELL of a 1on1 fight against namor. (yes zahit, i'll look for the issue to scan) hawkeye is ALWAYS underestimated. together cap and hawk would certainly keep namor busy and COULD beat him, leaving vision to help thor or im or herc and wm. just not sure vizh could do to much to ss or strange. herc could also tackle and keep hulk busy on his own. maybe thor, vizh AND wm could tackle strange. that might be enough to tip things in the avengers favor because if they take strange thor will be free to help with ss. after that, hulk and namor would fall for certain.
i think 8/10 is too high though - i said 7/10 defenders, but it could be closer. and its always good to have you involved in the discussions.
No way Captain and Hawk can beat Namor...the arrows wouldn't puncture Namor...and Namor could grab Captain's shield and beat him to death with it. Namor is better then they are in every area besides fighting skills. And I believe that Namor is quite capable in hand-to-hand combat too.
Namor beats Cap and Hawkeye in ten seconds.
Originally posted by olympian
Sometimes he is, others he isent. Unless im wrong he doesnt tap into cosmic levels all the time.Loki and Strange fought once that i know and Loki won.
I might just promise you my first-born if you could get me an issue number and details of that fight. Unless it was that fight where Strange was just getting started and didn't have all of his artifacts and spells. But if it's current Strange I'd cry in happiness.
And maybe Hawkeye couldn't beat Namor DC, but some localized nukes would slow him down, and leo mentioned Cap giving him a decent fight once. The point is, they could keep him busy for a while.
-DM
Originally posted by DigiMark007
And maybe Hawkeye couldn't beat Namor DC, but some localized nukes would slow him down, and leo mentioned Cap giving him a decent fight once. The point is, they could keep him busy for a while.-DM
#118. Namor soundly defeated the Hulk, by knockout, in a huge underwater collision. Hulk was knocked from Atlantis all the way to the mainland shore where he laid unconscious and then reverted back to Banner. Namor was rocked but never lost consciousness. Off the top of my head these are some of Namor's best feats. In no particular order they are:
1)Namor carried a 50 ton anchor, with one arm while flying in the air.
2)Namor lifted a huge portion of an undersea mountain that Orka's whales dropped on him.
3)Lifted an oil tanker that weighed in excess of 110,000 tons.
4)Lifted a sub-marine from the bottom of the sea and placed it safely on shore.
5)Lifted a 2,000 ton destroyer and slammed it into Attuma.
6)Namor can absorb millions of volts of electricity and use it as a weapon by throwing it at his opponents.
6)Namor can see and find invisible objects because he posseses the powers of the blind cave fish that has a radar sense.
7)Survived unharmed, in a fall from space after battling the Stalkers.
8)Namor took a direct head shot from Thor's hammer which only made him madder.
9)Was only minorly stunned when Krang's fision bomb exploded while Namor was holding it. This is equivalent to a small nuke.
10)Namor drilled through miles of sea rock by spinning his body at tremendous speed.
11)Namor has created great tidal waves. In one TTA #100 he wiped out an entire island and the Hulk along with it.
12) While being held by Magneto's power Namor slammed his fists so hard to the ground that the earth quaked for hundred's of miles.
13) Namor, as are all Atlanteas, is totally impervious to the affects of radiation.
Originally posted by olympian
Sometimes he is, others he isent. Unless im wrong he doesnt tap into cosmic levels all the time.Loki and Strange fought once that i know and Loki won.
Quite easily, but it was long ago before stranges power up. I agree though most of the time Loki like Doctor Fate owns Strange😄
Keep the Faith😄
Stay Whirly 🤘
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No way Captain and Hawk can beat Namor...the arrows wouldn't puncture Namor...and Namor could grab Captain's shield and beat him to death with it. Namor is better then they are in every area besides fighting skills. And I believe that Namor is quite capable in hand-to-hand combat too.Namor beats Cap and Hawkeye in ten seconds.
Keep the faith😄
Stay Whirly🤘
I'd say "day-to-day" Loki has more power at his fingertips than Strange, and before Strange spent several millennia fighting in that otherdimensional war Loki had tons more experience.
When Strange gets going though, he leaves Loki in the dust.
I wasn't aware of 616 Hawkeye carrying mini-nukes like Ultimate Hawkeye does. He does however have his Ultron-Killer arrow(s?): Adamantuim tipped and carrying enough of an electrical charge to instantly drop the Abomination (which it did). While I favor the Defenders in this, even the "weaker" Avengers are not to be underestimated.
LP, your Defenders fanboy-ism is stinking up the thread.
Ah, the famous loki fight Strange Tales#123 1964.😈
Was he Sorcerer Supreme yet? Naw.
Was he a master of any mystical arts? Sorta, he had about 20 "dark magic" spells.
Was he even aware who Loki was? Naw
Did he know who Thor was? Naw
Did he have the Eye of Agamotto? Naw
Was he the chosen apprentice of the Ancient One? Naw.
Did he have the real Cloak? Naw.
Did he have the Vishanti? Naw.
His own title??? Naw.
Loki tricked Strange into thinking Thor was evil and Loki was good, since Strange only had his amulete at the time, he couldn't tell the difference.
The fight was simple and nothing big, Loki and Strange fought, stalemated for most of the fight and then Loki got the upperhand at the end and Loki left.
Pretty embarassing for Loki, if you ask me. At that time, Strange was as about as powerful as, say....the original Scarlet Witch, probably less.
The difference between Loki and Strange is Loki is limited to his own inner magic, Strange has no limits to what magic he can tap.
Vishanti>Dwarf frost giant magic.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
I'd say "day-to-day" Loki has more power at his fingertips than Strange, and before Strange spent several millennia fighting in that otherdimensional war Loki had tons more experience.
When Strange gets going though, he leaves Loki in the dust.I wasn't aware of 616 Hawkeye carrying mini-nukes like Ultimate Hawkeye does. He does however have his Ultron-Killer arrow(s?): Adamantuim tipped and carrying enough of an electrical charge to instantly drop the Abomination (which it did). While I favor the Defenders in this, even the "weaker" Avengers are not to be underestimated.
Namor can just dodge his arrows. He has dodged bullets before. Here he dodges machine gun fire:
Not that I know of, no.
Maybe in the next confrontation he was weak, because he hid from Strange, Strange had to program his illusions to find him.
They never faught after that except when Loki had Strange's powers during the King Thor arc and with Strange's power Loki talked about being near omnipotent.
