EU Continuity problem in KOTOR?

R.A Salvator, he wrote AOTC. Vector Prime doesnt feel like Star Wars to me. Give a guy the name Luke Skywalker doesnt make him Luke Skywalker, youve got to make him feel like Luke, slapping the name on doesnt cut it.

The one book I wanna read badly is Splinter of the Minds Eye. It features Vader and Luke's first ever duel.

Its probably good too.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
No, not according to any EU (that I know of) and official website states only 2 official formations. the old republic, (of 25,000 years) and the new one after ROTJ.

the republic has survived ALL of these attacks, other then palpatine's.

there would be no new formation after a war, that'd be like the USA saying, ok. we just fought Iraq, so fire all of congress, all the senators and fire the president, we need to hold new elections and reform the state.

it makes no sense, there are 2 formations, Old and new. Old (according to EU is 25,000) and new is still ongoing....

now what i'm saying is that officially according to the movies, the republic is ONLY 1000 years old. but according to EU its 25,000

so already theres a contridiction between Canon and EU. (because a republic older then 1,000 years in never mentioned.)

however, Sio's line still stands, if you include EU and disregard what palps says. then it still makes no sense, because the formaton of the republic was 25,000 years before that, and there were in fact many wars.

so its just a huge bunch of contradicting points.

Incorrect again.

Officially according to the movies, the Republic is also a thousand GENERATIONS old, hence closer to 25000 years.

Hence it must have been re-formed several times. And if you think that's odd, that simply makes you ignorant of history. Look at the number of French Republics there have been, and that is only in mere centuries. Yet that still makes up part of one unbroken French history. Oddly enough, you will find the formations of new ones often come after wars...

In fact, the French Fifth Republic is only fifty years old, dating from 1958, coming after the Fourth Republic which was only 12 years old, dating from 1946 after World War II (that the Third Republic persished in; the Fourth Republic, incidentally, was basically killed off by the Algerian war). But as I say, the history of France itself, as a nation, goes back way further than any single incarnation of its Republic. As GL himself has stated that the Sith ruled the Galaxy at one point, it is in absolutely no way hard to believe that the Old Republic had to re-found itself several times also in the same way.

And the last time was 1000 years ago. Simple as that.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
No, not according to any EU (that I know of) and official website states only 2 official formations. the old republic, (of 25,000 years) and the new one after ROTJ.

the republic has survived ALL of these attacks, other then palpatine's.

there would be no new formation after a war, that'd be like the USA saying, ok. we just fought Iraq, so fire all of congress, all the senators and fire the president, we need to hold new elections and reform the state.

it makes no sense, there are 2 formations, Old and new. Old (according to EU is 25,000) and new is still ongoing....

now what i'm saying is that officially according to the movies, the republic is ONLY 1000 years old. but according to EU its 25,000

so already theres a contridiction between Canon and EU. (because a republic older then 1,000 years in never mentioned.)

however, Sio's line still stands, if you include EU and disregard what palps says. then it still makes no sense, because the formaton of the republic was 25,000 years before that, and there were in fact many wars.

so its just a huge bunch of contradicting points.

no dig deeper

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Incorrect again.

Officially according to the movies, the Republic is also a thousand GENERATIONS old, hence closer to 25000 years.

Hence it must have been re-formed several times. And if you think that's odd, that simply makes you ignorant of history. Look at the number of French Republics there have been, and that is only in mere centuries. Yet that still makes up part of one unbroken French history. Oddly enough, you will find the formations of new ones often come after wars...

In fact, the French Fifth Republic is only fifty years old, dating from 1958, coming after the Fourth Republic which was only 12 years old, dating from 1946 after World War II (that the Third Republic persished in; the Fourth Republic, incidentally, was basically killed off by the Algerian war). But as I say, the history of France itself, as a nation, goes back way further than any single incarnation of its Republic. As GL himself has stated that the Sith ruled the Galaxy at one point, it is in absolutely no way hard to believe that the Old Republic had to re-found itself several times also in the same way.

And the last time was 1000 years ago. Simple as that.

My point has ben made... now LIVE WITH It

Originally posted by Tulak Hord
Depends. I believe it when it's not too far-fetched. But some shit about Tenel Ka's saber being Rainbow, I dun't understand that.

Tenel KA's Saber was a misty grey... at least that is what her 1st one was.

*shakes head* What day of the week is it?"

Wednesday

Jlrtenjac: *yawns and streches*

Wednesday? *Checks his list* Yes...yes...I have no scheduled saber duels, nor rampages to go on....And the Jedi arn't scheduled to come kill us sith until next week...wow, gonna be long day.

Originally posted by JLRTENJAC
no dig deeper

wtf does that mean? "dig deeper"

the facts are all there, 'deeper digging' would do nothing, because there is nothing deeper.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Incorrect again.

Officially according to the movies, the Republic is also a thousand GENERATIONS old, hence closer to 25000 years.

Hence it must have been re-formed several times. And if you think that's odd, that simply makes you ignorant of history. Look at the number of French Republics there have been, and that is only in mere centuries. Yet that still makes up part of one unbroken French history. Oddly enough, you will find the formations of new ones often come after wars...

In fact, the French Fifth Republic is only fifty years old, dating from 1958, coming after the Fourth Republic which was only 12 years old, dating from 1946 after World War II (that the Third Republic persished in; the Fourth Republic, incidentally, was basically killed off by the Algerian war). But as I say, the history of France itself, as a nation, goes back way further than any single incarnation of its Republic. As GL himself has stated that the Sith ruled the Galaxy at one point, it is in absolutely no way hard to believe that the Old Republic had to re-found itself several times also in the same way.

And the last time was 1000 years ago. Simple as that.

there is no proof of what you are saying however.

while semi-logical, its all speculation.

I'm going with what the movies and EU (and the official site) says. and with those things we know to be true it makes no sense. simple as that

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
there is no proof of what you are saying however.

Ok Anomaly, you're arguing with a moderator that knows what he's talking about. Next, Sidious' quote alone says there was once a full scale war and contradicts Sio Bibble's quote. Next, Sio might be wrong. Yoda says that "once you start down the dark path it will forever dominate your destiny" but he's wrong. Sio might not know his history too well.

haah! so im supposed to be like "ohhhh hes a mod" making him automatically right!, I dont care who he is.

his arguments meen nothing more then anyone elses.

his job is to make sure this area stays on topic, and that there are no stupid threads, move threads, etc.

this in no way makes him more right then a person who just joined KMC today.

I mean i've been her for 2 years more then you have Revan, does that make me more right then you?

no...

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
No, not according to any EU (that I know of) and official website states only 2 official formations. the old republic, (of 25,000 years) and the new one after ROTJ.

First off you have Sidious in AOTC saying that the Republic only existed for a thousand years. Well. There was something called the "Ruusan Reformation" dated 1,000 years before the Battle of Yavin. They made that the year zero of the Republics timeline.

Actualy they didn't change much in the government system BUT the Jedi Order underwent some adjustment:

- the Jedi abandoned their battle armours (replacing it with the known robes)
- they renounced all military titles (for example "Lord"😉
- they placed their forces under the supervision of the Supreme Chancellor
- they began training children from infancy on
- they centralized the training of the younglings on Coruscant.

And their was no full scale war from the Battle of Ruusan (and Ruusan Reformation) to the Clone Wars meaning the Republic as it existed in TPM times had never faced a full scale war.

the republic has survived ALL of these attacks, other then palpatine's.

Survived yes. But it got reformed after all. So it's not the "same" Republic any longer that was formed 25,000 years BBY.

it makes no sense, there are 2 formations, Old and new. Old (according to EU is 25,000) and new is still ongoing....

Actualy there are four:
Old Republic: 25,000 BBY -> 1,000 BBY
Reformed Republic: 1,000 BBY -> 19 BBY (replaced by the Galactic Empire)
New Republic: 4 years after the battle of Yavin - 27 ABY
Galatic Federation of Free Alliances (GFFA): 27 ABY - now (capital planet: Denon)

now what i'm saying is that officially according to the movies, the republic is ONLY 1000 years old. but according to EU its 25,000

The movies state both things:
1,000 years (from Palpatine) and 1,000 generations (being 25,000 years).

so already theres a contridiction between Canon and EU. (because a republic older then 1,000 years in never mentioned.)

You're simply wrong.

however, Sio's line still stands, if you include EU and disregard what palps says. then it still makes no sense, because the formaton of the republic was 25,000 years before that, and there were in fact many wars.

It makes sense if you just read the EU sources what you - obviously - did not do.

well, I hate EU, so I dont read it. I just went with what I know from the movies.

in which there is a contradiction.

oh, btw, where are these "other" formations mentioned anyways?

Not really mentioned, just implied.

Sidious says that the Republic is a 1000 years old- 1000 seems to be a magic number in the PT- meaning there must have been a reformation at some point. EU calls it the Ruusan Reformation, and it works out.

Like Ush said, using the example of France, reformations happen to government.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
First off you have Sidious in AOTC saying that the Republic only existed for a thousand years. Well. There was something called the "Ruusan Reformation" dated 1,000 years before the Battle of Yavin. They made that the year zero of the Republics timeline.

Actualy they didn't change much in the government system BUT the Jedi Order underwent some adjustment:

- the Jedi abandoned their battle armours (replacing it with the known robes)
- they renounced all military titles (for example "Lord"😉
- they placed their forces under the supervision of the Supreme Chancellor
- they began training children from infancy on
- they centralized the training of the younglings on Coruscant.

And their was no full scale war from the Battle of Ruusan (and Ruusan Reformation) to the Clone Wars meaning the Republic as it existed in TPM times had never faced a full scale war.

Survived yes. But it got reformed after all. So it's not the "same" Republic any longer that was formed 25,000 years BBY.

Actualy there are four:
Old Republic: 25,000 BBY -> 1,000 BBY
Reformed Republic: 1,000 BBY -> 19 BBY (replaced by the Galactic Empire)
New Republic: 4 years after the battle of Yavin - 27 ABY
Galatic Federation of Free Alliances (GFFA): 27 ABY - now (capital planet: Denon)

The movies state both things:
1,000 years (from Palpatine) and 1,000 generations (being 25,000 years).

You're simply wrong.

It makes sense if you just read the EU sources what you - obviously - did not do.

Ive scanned through most of this thread and just been bored, but this post makes sense. Well done have a skoda!

Yeah, I give props to Nai Fohl...