Characters using speed isn't often written into characters. How many times has Flash been hit by those damn boomerangs? Deathstroke BEAT Flash. Do you think that was supposed to happen? PIS makes for strange effects.
But not on this board. On this board, characters fight with the powers they're given. ALL of them. And WW is as fast as Mercury. Deathstroke shouldn't be able to hit her. And in the end, she wasn't hurt. Just look at the smile on her face. She's a warrior.
Deathstroke is the strongest of the opponents on this field. If THAT was the best he could do, after hitting her over and over, then ain't no way the rest are taking her down.
Just out of curiousity - out of 10 fights, how do you have them going?
deathstroke used no pointed weapons....and as far as him taking down flash if these characters are supposed to use everything they've been given than him taking down flash is not so unbeliveable....WW may have been smiling due to satisfaction, but during the fight DS was hurting her....
out of 10? not sure yet...still deciding...
Originally posted by jinzin
deathstroke used no pointed weapons....and as far as him taking down flash if these characters are supposed to use everything they've been given than him taking down flash is not so unbeliveable....WW may have been smiling due to satisfaction, but during the fight DS was hurting her....out of 10? not sure yet...still deciding...
Deathstroke taking down the Flash IS unbelieveable. Deathstroke could ambush Flash and try to cut his head off, but Flash would feel the sword against him in slow motion and just...walk out of the way, even after it makes contact, because he wouldn't be around long enough for it to pierce his skin. Deathstroke could snipe Flash and the bullet could touch Flash's head. Flash would just think, "hey, a bullet is trying to enter my head", then...walk out of the way before it even begins to enter his head. THAT is a character written to the best of his abilities, not his silly loss.
Likewise, with Wonder Woman written correctly, Deathstroke's hardest blows should hurt HIM more than it hurts her. She's 20x his strength. And even with the writing we've seen in that issue you've posted, in the end, she ended it with one punch. And Deathstroke, like we agreed, is the strongest of the bunch you've assembled. She took him down with a single punch. I see no reason she couldn't do likewise to everybody else, given her strength level.
Also, you're counting on the fact that she's going to be somehow overwhelmed by sheer numbers. This is the same woman who fought superpowered ARMIES for 10,000 years. Enhanced Metas and Low Level Heralds - hundreds of them at a time. For 10,000 years. What are half-dozens streets compared to that?
Re: Wonder Woman VS upper street-levelers
Originally posted by Khellendros
Wonder Woman: No flying, no lasso, with bracelets.VS.
Captain America
Batman
Batgirl
Iron fist
Taskmaster
Black Panther
Midnighter
Daredevil
Wolverine
DeathstrokeThe team gets their basic equipment. Do they stand a chance against the Amazon?
I want to say WW logically, but in writing she'd lose, seeing as Iron Fist did something good to hulk.
But where her credits due, she is just below superman, that AND she's a superior fighter in terms of proificency, but she isn't as durable as superman.
I feel she can take it 7/10.... for now.
Deathstroke taking down the Flash IS unbelieveable.
Those first few feet are all he needs, lets not forget his eye's are enhanced to see lightspeed action and even able to see on the
molecular level.
with Wonder Woman written correctly, Deathstroke's hardest blows should hurt HIM more than it hurts her. She's 20x his strength
Originally posted by long pig
Why? When it's clearly stated that a fully powered Slade can keep up with him for the first couple steps.If flash had time to reach uber speeds, then Flash would win, not because Slade can't see him, but because he can't react at FTL speeds.
I understand that, I'm not saying not hit, but if this were a fight to life and death, I don't see him simply taking care of flash like that, thats hard for me to agree with there.
i think i'm with khell and jinzin on this one. the deciding factor for me is that her invulnerability isn't where it would need to be to survive this one. they can certainly hit her, as has been shown time and again, and all it would really take is one good stunning blow, wolvie zips in slices her head off or stabs her in the heart. there would certainly be casualties, and none of them are taking her individually, but damn, bats, cap, panther, ds all working together, making strategy, working as a team . . .
that's one tough ass team. IF she could somehow take out cap before the others, and get his shield, well then, the team is officailly f'd. but i think she'd need the shield to win this.
good, thought provoking match khell.
^^^no shit leo.
If they work together, they do have the greatest tactical minds on earth to help.
WW will get cut many times in this fight, and she will be wounded mortally, but she'd kill the rest as well as herself dying.
Plus, Slade has grenades that have k.o'd Superboy and Wondergirl at the same time....one grenade.
If he lobs a few of those and they work, it'd open her upp for an attack from wolvies adamantium, slades adamantium equivilant Sword and his nervous system attacking promethium staff cannon(which has knocked WW on her knees before.) and Sabretooths adamantium claws.
This ain't no easy fight for either.
I'm starting to agree a little aswell.
She can't fly.
She doesn't have a bio field.
She gets no weapons either.
She may be a step from superman, but superman has the durability to shrug this off, whereas she doesn't, AND she can't fly, she doesn't have the lasso nor the bracers, and she's dogpiles.
Quantity over quality in this case, especially when the quality becomes less, than usual.
Originally posted by long pig
No, it isn't.
Marv(Slade's inventor) said when asked about Slades speed compaired to Flash "No one has tested Slades speed for the first 20 feet, but for those first 20 feet, Slade can hang with Flash."
Slade's reaction time has absolutely nothing to do with his ability or inability to hurt Flash. What I described above was that Slade could very well slice at Flash from behind, but Flash is so fast that he could feel the sword against him and move out of the way before it begins cutting. It doesn't matter how fast Slade is to react, he wouldn't be able to slice with any impact. Ditto with guns. The idea that, in Identity Crisis, Flash had to run AROUND explosives is ridiculous. Flash should outrun the explosives.
I'm not sure where this whole acceleration rumor started that makes him out to be slower than he is, but just remember...Flash evacuated an entire city in LESS time than it took for a nuclear explosion to level it. No running start necessary. And THAT is FTL reaction time - seeing the bomb begin to go off, evac millions of people, relocate them out of range of the nuclear bomb in the time it takes for the bomb engulf the area. And you're telling me that some dude could ever cut him with a sword? Or that bullets would ever connect? PIS.
Those first few feet are all he needs, lets not forget his eye's are enhanced to see lightspeed action and even able to see on the
molecular level.
That's nice, so he can see himself missing Flash over and over.
Nah, he has wolverine level durability, and it was said in that fight that Slade was faster than WonderWoman.
Of course he can't beat her himself, but he could definatly cut her.
Having Wolverine durability doesn't impress me. I think Wonder Woman can knock out Wolverine with one shot, too. Or just throw him miles away like what happened to poor Wolvie this month in New Avengers.
I think what everybody is getting wrong is this belief that it's a close quarters slugfest. It's not, or at least it doesn't have to be. If the rules stated, "Wonder Woman is limited to punching and kicking, and the battle starts from 10 feet away", then maybe they could get enough shots in to take her down. But those aren't the rules, so she's NOT limited to simply punching and kicking everybody. When dealing with streets with human strength and durability, pretty much anyone above CL50 is the damn Hulk to them. Why on earth would she just sit there and trade punches? She's goddamn Superman-lite. Hulk-lite.
I see it like this:
She thunderclaps them, a la Hulk. Batman, Batgirl, Iron Fist, Taskmaster, Daredevil all go down...you can't dodge it, you can't avoid it, and they're all totally human in durability.
She could probably take most of the rest of them with a second thunderclap, but for variety, she stomps and breaks the ground open, swallowing Cap.
She runs back to get some more distance. She's the fastest runner on that battlefield, no one is closing the gap on her. She grabs a tree and swats Wolverine away into near earth orbit. That leaves Midnighter and Deathstroke, who are probably the two most formidable opponents. But those two by themselves aren't going to beat her. They might land some shots, but she's beaten an ARMY of enhanced metas. Two high level streets aren't going to beat her.
So as long as Wonder Woman prevents a dogpile, and given her running speed, a dogpile is impossible, she can take them all out at a distance, at her leisure.
And wins with signficant ease.
Slade's reaction time has absolutely nothing to do with his ability or inability to hurt Flash. What I described above was that Slade could very well slice at Flash from behind, but Flash is so fast that he could feel the sword against him and move out of the way before it begins cutting.
It doesn't matter how fast Slade is to react, he wouldn't be able to slice with any impact.
Same thing with a knife fight, they'd pull their knives at nearly the same time and both would have an equal chance of stabbing the other for the first few steps, then Flash would go around him like he's standing still.
The idea that, in Identity Crisis, Flash had to run AROUND explosives is ridiculous. Flash should outrun the explosives.
I'm not sure where this whole acceleration rumor started that makes him out to be slower than he is
No, it isn't.
Flash doesn't reach lightspeed from the first step, it takes him time to reach full speed. His normal cruising speed is around 300mph. He didn't have but maybe 7 feet to work with there, and since he went from being still to running, he probably didn't reach 300pmh yet.
What about that one time when Flash heard an bullet launch, changed into his costume, ran to the crowd of people, searched the backs of everyone and then grabbed the bullet behind policewoman's back? He himself said that he was not able to move in full speed in the crowd, but he was still fast enough to do all that.
The time he heard a gunshot and ran around looking for the gunman? I don't think he changed costumes, but he may have.
Like I said, he can't go lightspeed from step one, but he can definatly go sub sonic after a few steps.
The room he had to move was enough to go fast enough to do what he needed.
The room he had when he faught Slade wasn't more than 7 feet, add surgically placed bombs and you have a distracted flash.
Originally posted by long pig
Shit, I'm not saying Slade can match Flash's speed, I'm just repeating what Slade's writer said, he can hang with him for the first few steps enough to get the job done.Slade isn't a speedster, but he is very very fast and smart.
agreed.
WW can win, but I'm not so sure that it would be so easily though.