Predators vs Elites

No it's not wasteful. The fact that a Grunt would trust an Elite even when the odds are 1/1,000 proves that Elites are well trained warriors that can outsmart the enemy. Let's look at the Predators and Elites to see who has the edge
Elites= Trained for War
Predators= Trained to Hunt
Elites= Shields
Predators= A staff
Elites= Powerful weapons
Predators= Powerful weapons
Elites= Travel in groups and wait to attack an enemy with a good plan
Predators= Travel alone and wait to attack an enemy with a good plan
Elites= Can kill the best squadron of marines alone
Predators= Can snap a human in 2
Elites= Camo
Predators= Camo
Elites= Able to sniff out the enemy
Predators= Heat Vision
Elites= Some have Jet Packs to fly
Predators= Only a few Soldiers
Elites= One lifted up the Master Cheif with 1 hand
Predators= Strong
Elites= A Special Elite force was sent to deal with the Flood in Halo showing that they're better trained Elites
Predators= Different types or ranks
Elites= Also have ranks
Predators= Worked with a Human to destroy the Aliens
Elites= Had no choice but to work with the Humans since he had a huge beam cannon pointed at them and learned that his beliefs are false and had to stop the Brutes no matter what
Predators= All but 1 got killed off by the Aliens
Elites= Manage to fight the Humans, the Flood, and the Brutes and still have Elites to spare

Originally posted by Arbiter
No it's not wasteful. The fact that a Grunt would trust an Elite even when the odds are 1/1,000 proves that Elites are well trained warriors that can outsmart the enemy. Let's look at the Predators and Elites to see who has the edge
Elites= Trained for War
Predators= Trained to Hunt
Elites= Shields
Predators= A staff
Elites= Powerful weapons
Predators= Powerful weapons
Elites= Travel in groups and wait to attack an enemy with a good plan
Predators= Travel alone and wait to attack an enemy with a good plan
Elites= Can kill the best squadron of marines alone
Predators= Can snap a human in 2
Elites= Camo
Predators= Camo
Elites= Able to sniff out the enemy
Predators= Heat Vision
Elites= Some have Jet Packs to fly
Predators= Only a few Soldiers
Elites= One lifted up the Master Cheif with 1 hand
Predators= Strong
Elites= A Special Elite force was sent to deal with the Flood in Halo showing that they're better trained Elites
Predators= Different types or ranks
Elites= Also have ranks
Predators= Worked with a Human to destroy the Aliens
Elites= Had no choice but to work with the Humans since he had a huge beam cannon pointed at them and learned that his beliefs are false and had to stop the Brutes no matter what
Predators= All but 1 got killed off by the Aliens
Elites= Manage to fight the Humans, the Flood, and the Brutes and still have Elites to spare

No, it proves that Grunts have faith in Elites, it does not reflect on an Elite's personal skills.

Elites= Trained for War (Trained for Combat)
Predators= Trained to Hunt (Trained for Combat)
Elites= Shields (Considerably weak shields...)
Predators= A staff (Killscreen generator, you compared the staff to the shield...)
Elites= Powerful weapons(Agreed)
Predators= Powerful weapons (Agreed)
Elites= Travel in groups and wait to attack an enemy with a good plan(Agreed)
Predators= Travel alone and wait to attack an enemy with a good plan(Actually, they are more likely to travel in packs and clans.)
Elites= Can kill the best squadron of marines alone (Agreed)
Predators= Can snap a human in 2(Agreed, and can kill a sqadron of elite commandoes andf terrorists alone)
Elites= Camo (Agreed)
Predators= Camo (Agreed)
Elites= Able to sniff out the enemy (Sniff them out? you mean use that Motion tracker right?)
Predators= Heat Vision (Actually several vision modes)
Elites= Some have Jet Packs to fly(Agreed)
Predators= Only a few Soldiers(disagreed)
Elites= One lifted up the Master Cheif with 1 hand(never saw that)
Predators= Strong(Agreed, very strong)
Elites= A Special Elite force was sent to deal with the Flood in Halo showing that they're better trained Elites(prooves nothing beyond what we already know, Preds have different types and ranks that reflect their training, and some clan specific ones as well)
Predators= Different types or ranks (Agreed)
Elites= Also have ranks(Agreed)
Predators= Worked with a Human to destroy the Aliens(Agreed)
Elites= Had no choice but to work with the Humans since he had a huge beam cannon pointed at them and learned that his beliefs are false and had to stop the Brutes no matter what(you picked sticks here you say the predator had a choice, but the Elites where forced into coersion...)
Predators= All but 1 got killed off by the Aliens (The aliens are a tough adversary, and the Preds didn't have their advanced weaponry when the first 2 where killed.)
Elites= Manage to fight the Humans, the Flood, and the Brutes and still have Elites to spare(Disagreed)

Make no mistake, Halo is a great game and I play it regularly, but this instance, against the Preds, I'm having trouble seeing how the Elites could win against such a combat oriented opponent.

No. Elites sniffed out that the Flood was their.
Elites= A Special Elite force was sent to deal with the Flood in Halo showing that they're better trained Elites(prooves nothing beyond what we already know, Preds have different types and ranks that reflect their training, and some clan specific ones as well)
It shows that the Covenant are holding back their best forces
And I could have said
Predators: Decided to work with a Human or get killed by the Aliens
They seem pretty even to me but this is a war and Elites are far greater in numbers.

That unsolicited advantage again Arbiter?

The Elites sniffed out the Flood yes, because the flood reek of dead flesh. Not to mention that by the time they caught wind of a Pred they'd be dead and buried.

The Covenant now holds back their best forces?....

Lests see here for a moment, The Arbiter, formerly a gold class Elite was not one of their best in Halo 1?

Ok, having gone over all the posts again, you have argued that the Elites can do on their own what it took the ENTIRE Covenant to do, by themselves. Yes, the Elites are powerful warriors, but they are intristically linked to the Covenant, and without their resources and manpower *Grunts, hunters and jackals* then the Elites would be just as useless as the other races they have wiped out. And because of this fact, they don't have the advantage of numbers.

Do you see my point yet? without the other covenant members, the Elites arn't much higher on the food chain than Humans.

A gold class Elite is a commander and that was a small fleet in Halo 1
And their best squadrons (Silver) is only sent in dangerous missions
Let's look at numbers for every 1 human they is about 15 Elites

well darkstorm on the game what gives you more trouble elites or jackals and grunts for me its elites grunts run in fear and jackals are weak as well

Better question. What kills you more? Elites, grunts, or Jackals?

Brutes give me the most trouble, then Elites, obviously. However thats not the point, Arbiter here has argued that the Elites have superior numbers because of their common apperances in Halo and Halo 2. There where far more Human flood than Covenant Flood in the game though.

And my point still stands, the Elites wouldn't even be considered for Rivalry with the Preds if it where not for the Covenant...

and darkstorm you obviously have never played halo on legendary mode please tell me if you have cause if those are the elites were talkin about the preds better run for there lives they can take down MC in like three hits

Elites are the backbone of the Covenant. They win the fights and because they are more human floods is that because most of the parasites die when they get hit by the shields.

Originally posted by GGgrievous725
and darkstorm you obviously have never played halo on legendary mode please tell me if you have cause if those are the elites were talkin about the preds better run for there lives they can take down MC in like three hits

THAT IS THE WORST ARGUMENT EVER!

You say, "Pump up the difficulty and we'll see" Game mechanics like that make poor assed argumernts... I have played Legendary mode, that doesn't convince me of anything... "Lets pump up difficulties on all the games" We'd see who gets theis first Preds kill in one hit as much as any other enemy. even with their solid weaponry.

Yes, the Parasites pop against the shields, However, it does eliminate your numbers game, there arn't that many elites.

And that doesn't change the fact that the Elites depend on Covenant tech to win those battles Arbiter.

i agree brutes are strong but not strong enough on the next to last level where you play as arbiter you get together with 4 or 5 elites and wipe out tons of brutes

And then you watch 10 to 20 plus Elites get squashed by 1 Brute - Tartarus

once again he has a shield plus he a friggin chieftan and he has a hammer thats as big as an elite! besides arbiter takes him down strongest elite vs strongest brute seems fair enough to me compared to strongest brute against rookie elite

Tartarus had a hammer that can throw anything 50 feet and he had a super shield.
Elites are large in numbers. They work with Grunt and Jackals because they formed an alliance. The Elites were the first in the Covenant and they created most of their old weapons and they just advanced.

Originally posted by GGgrievous725
once again he has a shield plus he a friggin chieftan and he has a hammer thats as big as an elite! besides arbiter takes him down strongest elite vs strongest brute seems fair enough to me compared to strongest brute against rookie elite

it was a metaphor

I agreed with that, but you opened the door by comparing the two, And on top of that, throughout the game when you come across such skirmishes, its most often the Brutes that win those fights.

Arbiter: Do you have proof of this? I know that the Elites where the first warriors of the Covenant, but since when was all their technology their own? when did they make their own weapons? I thought that All covenant technology was derived from the Forrunner tech.

im not really sure who made the weapons but i think what gives the elites the upper hand most of the time is there swords they can rip apart tons of preds

Allow me to reissue a previous point I made on page 2...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Predators have far superior close combat weaponry, the best being the Double Plasma Voluge and the Plasma Scythe. Plasma Voluge and Plasma Scythe both > Plasma Sword.

The Predators close combat capabilities are without a doubt the better...