Well you cannot say that Yoda is more skilled with lightsabre then Mace, because what we see in the movies show that Mace is more skilled, from that point of view Palpatine's believable holding back is irrelevant.
Yes Yoda is the head of the council and most dedicated Jedi, but that does not mean he is more skilled with his lightsabre. He is much stronger in the force than Mace and a lot wiser too, i think especially last thing makes him the head of the council.
I do not know why would Yoda have to be the better swordsman, because in plain sword fight imo the most relevant thing is one's agility and speed, and its also harder for Yoda to fight because of his size ( yes in plain sword fight the size matters).
What considers Mace vs. Palpatine, Mace bested him, although its pretty obvious chancellor was holding back ( someone mentioned that this was a big risk, and with that i agree, Palpatine felt Anakin's inner struggle and he could not be sure that Anakin would help him, untill the time he chop Mace's hand off), my argument for that is lack of using the force powers in their duel.
Yes he uses the lightning but when he is already down, he could have used some force push or throw some chairs and desk at Mace ( i'm pretty sure there were some objects in the room he could use ), but no he had to prepare smth for Anakin, so this was the final push to the darkside, or should i say the point of no return.
Similar case was with Dooku vs. Anakin, Dooku in Episode II and III handles Obi-Wan with ease using the force, but no against Anakin he doesn't even try, so i think Sidious actually told Dooku that he shouldn't kill Anakin (meaning he was holding back), and that he tries to persuade him, to go to the darkside.
Well this debating about who is stronger and stuff is starting to annoy me, because i do not know how can some people be so subjective, that they claim that in Yoda vs. Sidious anyone had the edge, because it was pretty obvious that they were very close in their powers, nevertheless if one is stronger than the other ( i ain't picking none of them, because i simply dont care ), but from this duel we couldn't have got a winner only a looser, because the one who would make the biggest mistake would loose.
P.S. When i'm reading this forum i'm getting the filling that many users are young and i imagine how they play with their SW toys and claiming totaly subjective things about their heroes. I'm not trying to offend no one, but i had to comment this. And also about this misstyping, i mean c'mon its very annoying when i see Anniken, Wendu and other, well you make mistake ok, but don't use that stuff always, please be more accurate about this, its not relevant but its very annoying to me, and i think to others to. I'm just waiting that someone will come up with Mouse Windu, Yoga, Puke, Fun solo and others.
I've just seen all the movies and clone wars animated series so if i do not know some stuff from books, comics and other stuff please do not rip me to pieces, cause i'm just a simple SF fan 😄
A LONG TIME AGO, IN A GALAXY FAR, FAR AWAY...STAR WARS
EPISODE III
REVENGE OF THE SITHPalpatine was playing Mace Windu the entire time. Here is my proof, which Devil Dodo was also providing, for you to ignore it was very silly and pointless...
At the start of the fight, Palpatine whips out his lightsaber and in two or three swings, he manages to stab Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin, both accomplished swordsmen, Jedi Masters, and Council members. They die in mere seconds after the fight begins. After sparring with Mace and Kit Fisto for a few moments, he manages to slash Kit Fisto across the stomach, and he too is an accomplished swordsman, Jedi Master, and Council member.
Now, Mace Windu goes on the retreat, Palpatine pushing him back.
At this point, we see Anakin debating whether he should be there or not, and he leaves the Temple.
Also at this point, Mace Windu starts to own Palpatine. Why? Because Palpatine can sense Anakin is on his way.
They continue fighting, Mace smashes the window approximately the same time as Anakin's landing. Palpatine loses his lightsaber just seconds before Anakin walks in. Why? Because Palpatine can sense Anakin is in the building.
Mace Windu has Palpatine at lightsaber point, and is ready to kill him. Anakin says that they shouldn't, it's not the Jedi way. Palpatine starts pleading for his life like a cowardly fool, after his face-melting barrage of lightning, but constantly looks to Anakin with an insidious glare after each whiney, begging comment about the Jedi trying to kill him and take over the Republic.
When Anakin takes action and literally disarms Mace Windu, Palpatine springs to his feet as if he had been winning the entire time. Palpatine cooks Mace Windu like a large black sausage, then hurls him out the window. Mace Windu, lacking an arm and in intense pain from the lightning assault, falls to his death, unable to do anything to stop his fall.
Later on, Palpatine fights Yoda. During this fight, they are sparring equally the entire time. Palpatine and Yoda meet one another blow for blow, and though you can tell Palpatine fears Yoda, fear can always be turned to the advantage of a Sith Lord; they feed their powers off of negative emotion. In the end, Yoda is defeated, because Sidious has disarmed his lightsaber and tossed him a very long way to the bottom of the Senate chambers. Sidious, once again, is victorious.
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Summary: Palpatine easily kills three Jedi Masters, they begins to lose when he senses Anakin leaving the Temple, and then begins his ploy to pull Anakin to the Dark Side by putting his own life at risk.
Yes, he could have lost everything. Yes, Anakin could have not turned, and Mace would have killed Palpatine. Yes, Palpatine put all his plans at great risk to turn the Chosen One to the Dark Side. No, he is not weak. No, Mace Windu did not beat him.
Read it! This is the second time I've posted my argument in here...
Originally posted by matreid
Mace is worse than Dooku and Yoda was ready to kill the Count easily.
im sorry but honestly
where the F*c* did u get that info.
OMG its a movie its how ever you make it out how u want it to beli8eve, my opinion windu beat sidious in saber skills, and yoda lost, ur opinion, sidious "pretended" so please, its how each person veiws it.
Originally posted by Ast Rofan
Take your own advice, stop bitching whenever someone elses opinion clashes with yours.
i do take my own advice, so shut uip, im just defending my opinion, becuase some people "*****" about mine, if you freaking look people are "bitching" about my opinion, so i defend it, so why dont you take high-school english class over again and learn how to read a sentence. instead of worrying about grammer and punctuation all the time.
and who the hell r u to tell me to stop "bitching" **EVEN** if i was look at the thread topic, GOD!!!! STOP TRYING TO BE A HERO WEN NONE IS NEEDED. 😉
Originally posted by Aduruth
i do take my own advice, so shut uip, im just defending my opinion, becuase some people "*****" about mine, if you freaking look people are "bitching" about my opinion, so i defend it, so why dont you take high-school english class over again and learn how to read a sentence. instead of worrying about grammer and punctuation all the time.and who the hell r u to tell me to stop "bitching" **EVEN** if i was look at the thread topic, GOD!!!! STOP TRYING TO BE A HERO WEN NONE IS NEEDED. 😉
Sorry, being a hero is a talent of mine. Almost comes naturally.
*strikes heroic pose, looks to sky, while standing in front of American flag and heroic music plays*
lol PART I
Omg, sry i NEED to post now. This whole "Mace's better than Palps" - thing is getting out of hands. I'm sorry but this post will be a bit long i think. First of all, why do so many people think, that Mace defeats Palpatine in Episode III? It's a big, if not a huge mistake to rely on EU too much. GL did not write all those novels and stories of the expanded universe. It's a mere product to keep fans fascinated for the Star Wars phenomena, That's ALL. Normally it is said that GL agrees on all the EU - work. Ok now who's going to believe that? Seriously, if it was written on a book: Not approuved by George Lucas....who do you think would buy that? The EU is mainly about money, not about stories. Anything else would be naive.
I can understand that fans may love new characters, just like Mace Windu. But don't let your love for a certain persona get in the way of being objective. It does hurt to see one's favourite characters die. But it's GL who wrote the script - not the fans. So even if something's not how we would like it to be, we have to accept it.
Now let's get to the hot topic: the saber-duel between the jedi master and the dark lord of the sith. To understand what was going on, we have to look at the entire scene (not just the duel). Anakin and Palpatine discuss the dark side of the force and the Chancellor tells him, that he can save Padme from dying. Anakin at this point has NOT yet chosen to learn the ways of the dark side. He's uncertain. He states to get Palpainte arrested by the jedi council. So he goes away and leaves the sith lord alone. Notice that Palpatine (if his IQ is not somewhere between 10 and 15...) has to assume that within the next minutes, a few jedi will arrive to (at least) arrest him - if not kill him. So what does he do? Run? No apparently not. He stays in his office, sitting on his chair, waiting for the jedi.
lol PART II
Then we see Mace and the others rushing through corridors to Palpatines office - while Anakin's waiting in the chambers of the jedi council. He's staring out of the window to Padme's appartment. Should he wait till Palpatine is arrested and lose the possibility to save his loves wife? Or should be turn his back on everything he learned in his life, the jedi order - betray all the jedi and his best friend: Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Mace has arrived at Palpatine's office, the chancellor turning slowly towards them. It's time to arrest the evil sith lord - well according to Mace Windu. But Palpatine refues to be arrested and draws his lightsaber. With amazing speed he jumps in the air and hurls his body towards the jedi. Within mere seceonds he kills two of them. Let's keep in mind that we are talking not about regular jedi - but about council members (as stated by a member of this forum earlier). To assume that all of them are just weak (and Yoda/Mace are the only skilled jedi on the council) would be very naive.
Palpatine fights Mace and Kit Fisto. He parries two blow from the two jedi masters and the slices Fisto in half. That leaves just mace and him.
Meanwhile Anakin has decided his fate: He will go to the chancellor's office. Palpatine desperatly wants Anakin as his new apprentice. One of his arguments before Anakin left was: You're not sure of their intention (regarding the council). He wants Anakin to make a choice of his own (to join the sith) and help him in his fight AGAINST the jedi. Therefore he MUST expect Anakin to return (again assuming that our beloved Sith Lord's doesn't suffer from grave imbecility...) Remember he uses the dark side of the force. He may not be able to feel emotions like love but sure he feels fear and anger.
The Fight rages on. Palps parries a few blow while jumping around a bit. The speed is impressive. Always pointing the saber directly at Mace's chest as if he wanted to stab him any second. Mace fights very well too. Without any doubt he has the bigger body strenght (he the close up as the sabers clash!).
Anakin arrives and rushes to the office while Mace and Palps break the window. Palps waits - his attacks become very slow and he takes more time before he strikes (see the scene where palps actually gets to his knees for a few seconds very slowly slashing at mace's upper body...)
lol PART III (this is it i guarantee *g*)
Suddenly Mace kicks Palpatine's saber out of his hand -- just as Anakin enters the room. The timing could be better.
Anakin argues with Mace about arresting Palps, while Mace would like to kill the evil sith immediately. In an outburst of anger Palps uses force lightning. Luckily for Mace it hits his saber and is deflected. Anakin and Mace are both supprised by the display of power. And that's exactly what it is: Palpatine DISPLAYS his power: not to kill Mace. But to show Anakin his earlier mentioned power.
Then it's show time: Palps face is melting, he pleads for mercy apparently getting weaker. He now speeks to Anakin about the jedi beeing traitors and how to jedi are going to kill him if Anakin doesn't help. Anakins turns to Windu trying to argue. NOW: Take a good look at Palpatine's eyes. As soon as he tells Anakin something he looks at him and awaits his reaction. He doesn't care about Mace at all. His focus is on the chosen one. This repeats twice (probably just in case that some spectators share the trouble of having an 10 - 15 point IQ... *g*)
Anakin's turned: He cuts of Mace's arm. Palpatine grins and than blasts a huge wave of force lightning against the jedi master. Mace's hurled outside the window. While Anakin's shocked by his actions Palpatine gets to his feet without any trouble - doesn't looking weak at all.
has no idea of SW at all watched the movieAnd just BTW: My sister and my girlfriend, who both have no idea of SW at all, watched it. You know what both said right after the movie about their favourite scene? They said they loved the way Sidious was playing with Mace and waiting for Anakin's reaction. They found the yellowish eyes kinda scary but liked the Palpatines look to Anakin during the "fight".
Please forgive me those long posts but it's getting really annoying with all the disappointed Mace Windu - fans.