Originally posted by Aduruth
Are you really that ignorant, obvoiusly mace would parry sidious' saber away, its just a still photo, i garuntee you if you took a photo on every fight, youd find someway to find that someone couldve been defeated, like in that picture, and still sidious' WOULD prolly know if he lunged in, he could be the one dying.
*and thank you daimond bullets for the novel history.
*MY *opinion* windu had the advantage ***IF*** he WASN'T just there to arrest him, because before sidious uses the lightning windu was there just to arrest him, but after that, he HAD to kill him. But the part we were shown they were evenly matched, and mace got lucky and kiked his sabar away. But still that a 1up for windu no matter how u look at it.
Another opinion was i think that sidious wasnt toying with windu, becuase even if he could forsee the future, he would see anakin would betray him....and dont give me any ....he probably cant c that far into the future. becuase if he could forsee the future, he'd definetly c his own death.
*And to all those people who thought sidious was toying with windu answer this, did or did he not have sidious beat until anakin jumped in?
bUT ANYWAY, ITS ALL WHAT WE THINK.
Are *you* ignorant? Sidious's ability to forsee the future is well beyond that of even Yoda's. But no Force-user is perfect. Yoda did not forsee the destruction of the Jedi, either. Proving that the ability to see events into the future is risky and the results are not always guarenteed. So I agree. Sidious did not forsee his own death. But then again, his ability isn't perfect either.
Sidious implanted the seeds of doubt into Anakin. He revealed his true identity as a Sith Lord, and then hinted that the Dark Side had the power to save Padme from death. He took a gigantic risk - that Anakin was on his way. Both Sidious and Yoda have the ability to feel people through the Force. How do you think Sidious was prepared for the Jedi Masters? He felt them. Not to mention Anakin blatantly told Sidious that he was going to turn him over to Windu and the Council.
Sidious could've very well felt Anakin through the Force. So here is the possible results. Do remember that Sidious struck down three Jedi who were of equal rank to Mace, in less than five seconds. He did it with ease. They were all prepared - but overpowered.
- Sidious slayed the three Jedi Masters and toyed with Mace because he gambled on Anakin's intervention. This move explains that if Anakin did indeed interfere in Sidious's favor, and slay Mace, then he'd have no real choice but to join Sidious. I'm pretty sure the Council wouldn't forgive him for participating in Windu's destruction. So Sidious believed that if he gained sympathy from Anakin, and if Anakin acted against Windu, then the Jedi would be forever closed to him. I have another bit of proof that supports this.
Compare how Yoda and Sidious fought one another. You will see a greater level of intensity, lightsaber power, and Force-usage throughout the entire fight between both combatants. Yoda and Sidious were evenly matched throughout the entire fight, and Sidious fought harder against Yoda than he did against Mace. If you believe that Mace defeated Sidious fair-and-square and without any act of manipulation on Sidious's part, you are also stating that Mace is a superior duelist than Yoda.
- Sidious could've just underestimated Mace. Think about it. If you meet four Jedi Masters, and struck down three with pure ease, if you encroach on the fourth one, won't you feel a bit confidant? A bit at ease? Sidious, I would imagine, could have felt the same. Perhaps he underestimated Mace throughout the duel.
The first theory supports Anakin's arrival. The second does not. The second theory labels Anakin's intervention and presence as sheer coincidence. All in all, it is more logical to indicate that Mace was being hoodwinked by the manipulating and scheming Palpatine.
Afterall. Mace and Yoda were deceived by Sidious this entire time. It is quite logical that even during the fight, the same thing happened again to poor Mace.
well even so, he underestimated him, and lost. which has been the flaw with all sith lords, and thats why they die, windu was the better dueler. and won, you cannot change the fact that sidious lost to windu. you dwell to much into the subject darth somebody, sidious was bested by windu. thats a fact. Im sorry "YOUR SITH LORD" lost to a jedi master.
And yes i beleive windu is a better duelist than yoda(never said force user*) and this is why windu was able to best sidious. and the reason i called that person ignorant was becuase they took a still image of the movie and said"all he had to do was lunge forward" wich was a ridiculous comment. And as gl has stated it a few interviews windu vs. sidious, he says its all how you **would want it to end*** (how the battle went/sidious favor or windu's favor.) and lets be honost this will be an ongoing argument same with yoda vs. sidious, becuase it all deopends how you think the battle was *turned.
Originally posted by Aduruth
well even so, he underestimated him, and lost. which has been the flaw with all sith lords, and thats why they die, windu was the better dueler. and won, you cannot change the fact that sidious lost to windu. you dwell to much into the subject darth somebody, sidious was bested by windu. thats a fact. Im sorry "YOUR SITH LORD" lost to a jedi master.And yes i beleive windu is a better duelist than yoda(never said force user*) and this is why windu was able to best sidious. and the reason i called that person ignorant was becuase they took a still image of the movie and said"all he had to do was lunge forward" wich was a ridiculous comment. And as gl has stated it a few interviews windu vs. sidious, he says its all how you **would want it to end*** (how the battle went/sidious favor or windu's favor.) and lets be honost this will be an ongoing argument same with yoda vs. sidious, becuase it all deopends how you think the battle was *turned.
Y'know what, you're right. Sidious lost to Mace. Then he got back up and turned him into Kentucky Fried Windu. Sorry "YOUR JEDI MASTER" was killed by Sidious. 😄
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
The novel. The novel also states that Yoda had his ass handed to him. So if the novel is correct in the case about the Clones - it is also clear that Palpatine defeated Yoda and was more powerful than the Jedi Master.Got ya there. 😄
True that. The Emporer had Yoda beat in power, pride, and perhaps even athletisism. But the approaching clones are the deciding factor that made Yoda leave---NOT flying Senatorial pods.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Y'know what, you're right. Sidious lost to Mace. Then he got back up and turned him into Kentucky Fried Windu. Sorry "YOUR JEDI MASTER" was killed by Sidious. 😄
But see that doesn't bother me, as long as I know Windu defeated Sidious, it does not bother me that he died, becuase all I wanted to prove was that Windu defeated Sidious. 🙂 *Plus Windu was caught off guard by Anakin, and yes Sidious killed Master Windu, but it was done out of disgraceful act, cheating.(not the lightning, I mean the two sith.)
But Darth Somebody I want you to answer this;
Did Sidious or did not Sidious HAVE help to defeat Windu? And if help was not there, would he be alive? 😉
_____________________________________________
Sorry "YOUR JEDI MASTER" was killed by Sidious.
- Darth Somebody
And to answer that part, at least, Windu does not have his friends turn on him.(Anakin shouldn't count as a friend, the two never saw eye to eye.) 😉
Originally posted by Captain REX
Where did it show clonetroopers approaching?
He possibly could've sensed them, becuase after Yoda is on the ground below, they cut to a scene when there's 4 clones on a podium talking to Sidious saying, they were unable to find his body. 🙂
But what I don't understand why does everyone say Yoda got his "ass" handed to him, (I actually want an answer, don't be sarcastic.) because what I saw numerous times, Yoda and Sidious were evenly matched, until Sidious used Lightning, and Yoda countered, but the only deciding factor was.......well Height, lol. Yoda was to small to grip anything, on his way down, and if Sidious didn't see that pole he would've fell as far as Yoda. In my opinion it was the fall and the clones that made Yoda leave, but PLEASE, if you have a reason why you think the battle was all Sidious(before the fall.) please describe in full description. 🙂
Sidious dident know what to expect from Vaapad, the movie clearly shows mace beating him. Anywoo, the fight with him and yoda he did nothing very stellar with a lightsaber, he stood on the senate pod and just defended himself, against yoda. No rapid movements in that fight..
Nor was he pressing or destryong yoda, the key factor to the battle for him was when yoda lost his lightsaber.
Plus, why would he keep mace alive in the first place, he dident need him as a tool, anakin had already decided to learn the ways of the sith.
Most likely, Sidious called them in to search for Yoda after he mysteriously vanished.
Don't bring up Vaapad; it's EU. Not once in the movies does Mace mention his sword style as Vaapad.
Palpatine did not need Anakin's help defeating Windu; if he 'lost' to Windu so fast, why did he last so long against Yoda then, hmm?
Everyone seems to forget that Yoda is stronger in the Force and more skilled than Mace Windu.
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
F'real? How come he didn't see a one-handed apprentice throwing him down an exhaust port?btw: Mace is probably PHYSICALLY stronger than Sid (force-assisted or not), and woulda straight-schooled him in a tussle.
What the hell does that mean? A straight tussle? If that's how Jedi chose to fight, then anyone could sit on Yoda and wipe their backside with him. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FORCE - SIZE MATTERS NOT. 😠
Vaapad IS EU, Diamond. Don't be foolish; George Lucas did not invent the name or idea of Mace Windu's swordsman style as Vaapad.
Roughrider, no need to type in caps or get angry over Diamond. Not worth it, really.
To answer what roughrider quoted, Mace is certainly physically stronger. But strength doesn't really matter in Star Wars, it seems.
Originally posted by Captain REX
Vaapad IS EU, Diamond. Don't be foolish; George Lucas did not invent the name or idea of Mace Windu's swordsman style as Vaapad.Roughrider, no need to type in caps or get angry over Diamond. Not worth it, really.
To answer what roughrider quoted, Mace is certainly physically stronger. But strength doesn't really matter in Star Wars, it seems.
I know; some people will grasp at any straw to prove something, that's all. Perhaps you should post again your Episode III declaration, to straighten out the WINDU people - again. 😄
Originally posted by roughrider
What the hell does that mean? A straight tussle?
Why you scramblin my words for fool?? I said 'straight-schooled in a tussle', in other words he woulda kicked his ass. Or if you prefer formal English: Mr. Windu would have proceeded to intentionally cause bodily harm to Mr.Palpatine.
You could at least type without the 'gangster' accent; accents don't really matter on a message board, so no need to write them. 😛
Windu and Palpatine would never go hand-to-hand, so not really even worth mentioning.
Wow, roughrider liked my declaration! I'm gathering fans, and soon it'll all go to my head! 😱