Plastic Man vs. Hulk

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well to be honest they were not on Saturn or even in the atmosphere of Saturn.

You can see Saturn in the pic and they were not on it, just near it.

Your saying Saturn has oxygen in its atmosphere?

There would have to be some sort of atmosphere present if Superman is breathing, regardless of how thin it might be. In a vaccuum, there is nothing to breathe, at all. It would be like trying to suck air out of an empty balloon.

Its mainly Hydrogen and Helium, its actually less dense than water😄 If you had a bath tub big enough Saturn would float😄 Their is alot of sulfur and some Oxygen and Nitrogen😄

Keep the faith😄

Stay Whirly 🤘

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Its mainly Hydrogen and Helium, its actually less dense than water😄 If you had a bath tub big enough Saturn would float😄 Their is alot of sulfur and some Oxygen and Nitrogen😄

Keep the faith😄

Stay Whirly 🤘

Smart-ass. 😉 smartass

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Every writer isn't doing to write Hulk exactly the same. His power levels vary drastically. Hulk has had countless fights in outer space, and never had a problem with breathing in any of them.

Hulk has been KOed by Doctor Octopus. Hulk has withstood a planet rending blast without so much as flinching. Inconsistency happens. Hulk has shown that he needs to breath under water. Peter David just said that he doesn't. Inconsistencies happen.

The Heroes reborn universe is not the one I'm referring to. Marvel has attested that Hulk's additional mass and energy comes from an extra dimensional source, prior to the Onslaught Saga. The Hero's reborn universe's energy was not what was killing Hulk. It was separation from Bruce Banner. The blast that destroyed onslaught separated the two. The source of Hulk's power is not the Heroes reborn universe.

Sort of an oxygen field? Never heard of it before. It must carry sound waves. Nevertheless, I can show you more scans defying this law.

Well, like I said, it's entirely possible that he's holding his breath in his outer space fights, since it's been established that he can hold his breath for hours....something that wouldn't have needed establishing if it were understood that he didn't need air at all.

I'd feel more comfortable with him not needing air if any of your scans addressed the topic directly, instead of relying on artist interpretation. Like Wolverine saying, "Man, I don't have an oxygen tank, I can't go into space" and Hulk saying, "Bah, Hulk need no air!" and going out anyway. Or similar to those Superman scans that say, "You can breathe in space because I (Mongul) taught you to do so!". Instead, it seems more like sloppy writing because, dammit, Hulk needs to be in space.

But your point about inconsistency is well-taken. Some writers are more scientifically inclined than others. It just seems that the ones who are scientifically inclined all portray Hulk as needing to breathe. The ones who aren't inclined just ignore the whole topic altogether and have him do whatever in space.

So if I were to hedge my bet, I'd say that the official position from Marvel is that Hulk does need to breathe. What's your bet?

You are correct about Marvel saying that Hulk's additional mass and energy come from an extra-dimensional source. It's sort of the typical Marvel explanation for just about everything, like Cyclops, and Apocalypse, and Havok all generating energy from "extra-dimensional sources". But it doesn't say anywhere that he also draws sustenence from that source the way it said about Juggernaut, or even Colossus.

It was the HR energy that was killing Hulk. He had extremely low durability and was dying during that time. Apocalypse noticed that when he captured Hulk and was analyzing him. He was radiating energy the whole time that more or less melted everything around him. That was the energy that Surfer picked up on. But either way, it was resolved so he's not radiating energy from the HR universe anymore. but you are correct in that Marvel states that the additional mass is extra-dimensional. But that's all they state.

Well, Hulk said "there's nothing out here but empty space!" Does that not directly address the topic?

Mongul said Superman without his training, Superman wouldn't be able to breath "this far out in space," implying that there is apoint in space at which Superman would not be able to breath. If he were truly in a vacuum, he wouldn't be breathing anything.

I don't believe that it's absolutely necessary for Hulk to breath. Marvel has alluded to it countless times. But, I'll ask Peter David about it. (seriously)

Cyclops and Havok's power comes from the sun. Apocalypse's additional mass comes from an extra-dimensional source. He doesn't need to breath, either.

Hulk was starting to lose density because he was separated from Banner, not because of the heroes reborn energy. The same thing happened when he was Banner-less Hulk. Beyonder probed Hulk and found similar results to what Surfer had.

Considering Hulk's feats I don't see why breathing would be absolutely necessary. Hulk has reformed his body after completely vaporized. In The End, millions of years into the future, all life on Earth had been destroyed, except for a highly evolved cockroaches, and Hulk. After Bruce finally died, Hulk simply refused to submit to death. He went on indefinitely without food or water, simply by willing it.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Well, Hulk said "there's nothing out here but empty space!" Does that not directly address the topic?

It shows he's in space (which we know), but it doesn't mean he wasn't holding his breath.

I don't believe that it's absolutely necessary for Hulk to breath. Marvel has alluded to it countless times. But, I'll ask Peter David about it. (seriously)

Funny aside - Peter David wrote an issue where Hulk almost drowned in, like, a puddle of water because he forgot to take a breath first, lol. PAD is also the guy who developed the whole PFC concept in the first place. Not sure you'll get an answer favorable to you from him, but good luck.

Cyclops and Havok's power comes from the sun. Apocalypse's additional mass comes from an extra-dimensional source. He doesn't need to breath, either.

No, Cyclops and Havok power the portal to the extradimensional portal with solar energy. The energy itself is extradimensional.

Apocalypse most certainly does need to breathe. When fighting High Evolutionary, he just morphed his body into a spacesuit. When fighting Namor, he morphed his body into a submarine and escaped.

Hulk was starting to lose density because he was separated from Banner, not because of the heroes reborn energy. The same thing happened when he was Banner-less Hulk. Beyonder probed Hulk and found similar results to what Surfer had.

Beyonder mentioned that there's an "infinity of power", like himself, locked within Hulk. It's meant to suggest the whole "infinite strength" angle of Hulk. It doesn't mean there's extra-dimensional sustenence for him, like Dimension X cheeseburgers, lol.

Considering Hulk's feats I don't see why breathing would be absolutely necessary. Hulk has reformed his body after completely vaporized. In The End, millions of years into the future, all life on Earth had been destroyed, except for a highly evolved cockroaches, and Hulk. After Bruce finally died, Hulk simply refused to submit to death. He went on indefinitely without food or water, simply by willing it.

Or by eating cockroaches, lol.

Cyclops profile: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=66

It's similar to the information in read in the official handbook too, where you're most likely getting the info on Hulk's extra-dimensional capabilities as well.

What if this were Professor Hulk? The smart one? He could deduce the weaknesses of Plastic Man. Unless PM is a genius as well. Professor has a better chance than Savage Hulk right?

Originally posted by Sentry
What if this were Professor Hulk? The smart one? He could deduce the weaknesses of Plastic Man. Unless PM is a genius as well. Professor has a better chance than Savage Hulk right?

I'd definitley say so.

makes sense, but since you're the writer, you're also going to have to play the genius. What is Prof going to come up with?

Prof was well known for implementing many a powerful energy weapon that usually only someone his size could wield. Will that suffice?

Plastic Man may have only stalemated Bane (never read it, and he should have won, but whatever). Plastic Man may not be a genius but I'd say he's well beyond even Kyle (GL) in terms of imagination. Being a genius and having amazing control over your powers are 2 different things. PM would try 20 things before Hulk did something besides "Smash".

He's also taken out Polaris, and gone toe-to-toe with an evil version of Manhunter...proving that even some energy attacks aren't enough for a decisive win. I'd put my bet on the evil Manhunter eventually in that fight, but PM was stalemating him for a long time. So he's no stranger to fighting powerful foes...Hulk might be the strongest he's ever fought, but he's certainly not the most versatile.

-DM

P.S. Extradimensional hooey-fluey...even if Hulk doesn't need to breathe, I'd still give PM a leg up in the fight. And if he has to breathe, forget going inside Hulk...an air-tight bubble around Hulk that he'd never be able to punch through would do the trick.

I was digging around and I found this.

This addresses what I was talking about before when I mentioned artistic license. Looking at the graphic, you'd think he's already in space, but only by reading the dialogue do you know better. Hulk is in the upper atmosphere, which is why he's able to talk. But note...he said he's having trouble breathing.

Also, this:

This is an example of Hulk needing to eat

This is Hulk talking underwater, but that's due to the PFC, which like I said, is only an explanation useful for underwater breathing. By the way, notice how it specifically addresses something assumed to be impossible. Do any scans like this exist showing someone with the same puzzlement that Hulk is talking and doing just fine in space? Just wondering.

I probably post all of this too late...the thread seems dead, lol.

Not at all I like 'em, a round of applause to you good sir.

Nice scans...though the pace of the thread has definitely subsided.

Originally posted by demigawd
makes sense, but since you're the writer, you're also going to have to play the genius. What is Prof going to come up with?

With Bruce Banner's intelligence, he could come up with something. The Merged Hulk could come up with a means of defeating him as well. The "Hulk" in this thread was never specified. It was assumed that he is Savage, which he usually isn't.

So far, what you've done on Plasticman's behalf is prove (and I use the term loosely,) that he can stretch further than Reed Richards. Does immediately make Hulk doing to him what he did to Reed totally impossible? I understand that Plasticman has a serious tactical advantage, but aren't you jumping to conclusions? Plasticman is incredibly resilient, but he's not unbreakable.

Originally posted by demigawd
This is Hulk talking underwater, but that's due to the PFC, which like I said, is only an explanation useful for underwater breathing. By the way, notice how it specifically addresses something assumed to be impossible. Do any scans like this exist showing someone with the same puzzlement that Hulk is talking and doing just fine in space? Just wondering.

I probably post all of this too late...the thread seems dead, lol.

Nice scans, demi.

I cannot honestly say that I have encountered scans depicting what you describe. If I could, it would indeed prove my point, but for the time being, yours are quite convincing. If I do indeed find such a scan, I'll be sure to post it here first.

Nice argument.

How bout some scans of Plastic Man's versatility?