Swing him around then really fast. How bout Hulk cracking the ground and jumping into Lava with PM on him? Or Hulk could walk into some power wires and electrocute him if electrcity affects him. What can PM do to the Hulk to hurt him???? Suffocate him? Hulk will eventually find a way to get PM off him. Jump into a Volcano, Jump into electrical transformers, etc...
You're acting like Hulk would have more control over PM's shape than Pm would. That's ridiculous. Why don't I throw some water at you and then you can swing it around really fast and do all that other stuff you said.
The guys turns into a toilet bowl and flushes people down himself for goodness sake.
Plastic Man would slip out of Hulk's grip...no amount of strength is going to hold him. So PM isn't making the trip to space. Period.
I detailed an interesting pully system PM could make himself into a couple pages back, if Hulk needs to breathe PM can block that for as long as it takes (hours, days, etc.) to kncok Hulk out, and he could definitely get into his brain (which may or may not be just as durable) and turn himself spiky and annoying to mess with Hulk's brain (and he has reached his arm up into someone's brain before...this isn't a made-up strategy).
Banner needs to find a ray gun or soemthing....otherwise he's not touching PM. Maybe it ends it a stalemate, but there's no way Hulk wins this without PIS, luck, or outside help.
-DM
Originally posted by demigawd
Untrue. He's not the Juggernaut. If what you're saying is true and he gets everything he needs from an "extradimensional source" (wtf??), then he wouldn't have needed to develop that little polyflurocarbon thingy in his lungs, would he? He developed it because he needs air, and he sometimes evolves in ways to adapt to his environment. So he developed a way to supply himself with oxygen, but he stills needs a source of oxygen to keep that lung gill filled. Water will supply it. Space will not. And don't tell me that it was something he's always had...it wasn't. He's suffocated and passed out from lack of air plenty of times.
Hulk's power and sustenance comes from an extra-dimensional source. It's been established over and over again. Would you like proof?
Stop assuming so much, demi. Per fluorocarbon emulsion has nothing to do with the presence of water, or a lack thereof. Perflurocarbon emulsion involves a gas that is not present in water, but in the upper atmosphere. It's nothing like the process of that occurs in a fish's gills. Fish pull oxygen from the water the same way we pull oxygen from the air, except they do so more efficiently. There is no chemical reaction taking place, until the oxygen is metabolized.
It was speculated that Hulk possessed such a gland. However, it has been established that Hulk draws power from an extra-dimensional source. Speculation or fact? Do I have to ask which is more tentative?
Inform me. When has Hulk passed out from a lack of oxygen?
Originally posted by demigawd
If he falls back down just like that, it's not orbit, because orbit, by definition, means he's, well, orbiting the earth. I'd chalk it up to artist error. He's in space, which I agree he can do, but he's not in orbit, unless the captions (which I can't read) say that he was actually orbiting for some length of time until he went into re-entry.
He is in orbit. In order to stay in orbit, he would have to maintain orbital velocity, which he cannot do, because he can't fly. My goodness, demi.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You're acting like Hulk would have more control over PM's shape than Pm would. That's ridiculous. Why don't I throw some water at you and then you can swing it around really fast and do all that other stuff you said.The guys turns into a toilet bowl and flushes people down himself for goodness sake.
That sort of stuff happens to Plasticman all the time. I think we're overestimating his ability to stretch by just a tad. He's stretchy, but he isn't a liquid. It certainly is not impossible to grab him.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Plastic Man would slip out of Hulk's grip...no amount of strength is going to hold him. So PM isn't making the trip to space. Period.I detailed an interesting pully system PM could make himself into a couple pages back, if Hulk needs to breathe PM can block that for as long as it takes (hours, days, etc.) to kncok Hulk out, and he could definitely get into his brain (which may or may not be just as durable) and turn himself spiky and annoying to mess with Hulk's brain (and he has reached his arm up into someone's brain before...this isn't a made-up strategy).
Banner needs to find a ray gun or soemthing....otherwise he's not touching PM. Maybe it ends it a stalemate, but there's no way Hulk wins this without PIS, luck, or outside help.
-DM
It is not impossible to grab Plasticman. Ultraman, Bane, The Shaggy Man, and Johnny Quick (antimatter Flash) all succeeded in grabbing Plas, and throwing him. It is far from impossible.
Has Plasticman ever tried 'brain tickling' anyone with Superman level durability?
Is PM a liquid? No, but anyone who can fashion himself into a wall-lamp to spy on Wonder Woman (hehe) is closer to liquid than nearly any solid.
If anyone has thrown him (though I don't remember specific incidences) it's more than likely PIS. Why wouldn't he just form a hole in himself where they try to grab him? Or morph to a bee so he's too small to grab? Or simply stretch around the person involved like Reed does to Ben in the FF movie (movie example, I know, but it's well within PM's ability to do so)?? He has too many options.
And I've seen PM's arms alone stretched well over 100M (probably more, but the comics don't provide measurements). Hulk trying to do anything lasting to PM would only result in frustration.
And the person he "brain-tickled"...if I'm not mistaken it was some Greek monsters of myth that were to emerge at the end of the world. They had been "set off" prematurely and PM removed a device from one of their brains. Not sure if they would have punked the JLA otherwise, but it wasn't an "average joe" that he did it to.
And if sleeping gas is Hulk's kryptonite as you say it would imply that he breathes it in. I always thought Hulk was gamma radiation into strength...this extradimensional stuff sounds wicked stupid, though if its true it might just mean a stalemate.
I still like my pully system. The kind where energy is reversed (like if you're pushing it weaves around and magnifies it into pulling energy to pull something else). Plastic Man weaves himself through the Hulk and makes himself into a pully where Hulk trying to get to PM would just pull him backwards (hell, PM could just dangle him in the air and he'd be similarly helpless). Trying to stretch PM until he breaks or throwing chunks of ground wouldn't work, and a few hours and many lullaby songs later and Hulk would revert to Banner. All this could happen well before Hulk even thinks "Oh crap. Maybe I should try to jump into space or do something else clever that probably won't work anyway." Batman himself said it..."Plastic Man is inspiration made form." If it's creativity we're looking for, "Hulk Smash" won't get it done.
-DM
Plasticman cannot make a hole in himself. He can shape himself into any contiguous shape (Wonder Woman, a can of bug spray, a snake, a roller coaster, etc.) Size reduction isn't an option. He can reduce his density, but he can't increase it. This is Plasticman, not the Atom.
I'm curious as to how would Plasticman wrapping himself around Hulk impede Hulk?
Hulk may be an imbecile, but he's battle savvy. If he finds that there's no way to defeat Plasticman physically, he'll take another route.
An extradimensional source is the only pliable explaination Marvel could use. How would gamma radiation alone instantly induce a mass increase of over 800 pounds?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If the inside of Hulk's body is enough destroy anything less than an needle laced with an admantium membrane, what hope does Plasticman have of surviving in Hulk's innards?
Cause it didn't😄
Keep the faith😄
Stay Whirly 🤘
She-Hulk's hot as hell in that pic.
Anyway, back to the debate. Can't make a hole in himself?? How is that any different than separating parts of himself from where they'd normally be in relation to one another to form himself into a different object?? He does much more complex things than make holes in himself...this isn't a (excuse the pun) stretch of his powers. In any case, I detailed other ways he coudl avoid being thrown (an action which wouldn't defeat him anyway, just throw him away for a bit).
Just wrapping around Hulk wouldn't do much but I still like my pully system (or just dangling him from the ground so that he has no leverage). And Plastic Man can also survive indefinately without food or water, so waiting for him to revert back to Banner wouldn't be a problem.
And sure, Hulk would try new things, but aside from some sort of energy projection there isn't much he could do.
And is there antibodies in the nose-into-brain?? If so, maybe that method is shot for PM, but antibodies are generally in the bloodstream. PM could avoid the stomach/blood/etc.
Honestly, it's looking more and more like a stalemate to me, but I have yet to see how Hulk could win, when I still see at least two ways for PM to pull it out.
-DM
Originally posted by DigiMark007
She-Hulk's hot as hell in that pic.Anyway, back to the debate. Can't make a hole in himself?? How is that any different than separating parts of himself from where they'd normally be in relation to one another to form himself into a different object?? He does much more complex things than make holes in himself...this isn't a (excuse the pun) stretch of his powers. In any case, I detailed other ways he coudl avoid being thrown (an action which wouldn't defeat him anyway, just throw him away for a bit).
Just wrapping around Hulk wouldn't do much but I still like my pully system (or just dangling him from the ground so that he has no leverage). And Plastic Man can also survive indefinately without food or water, so waiting for him to revert back to Banner wouldn't be a problem.
And sure, Hulk would try new things, but aside from some sort of energy projection there isn't much he could do.
And is there antibodies in the nose-into-brain?? If so, maybe that method is shot for PM, but antibodies are generally in the bloodstream. PM could avoid the stomach/blood/etc.
Honestly, it's looking more and more like a stalemate to me, but I have yet to see how Hulk could win, when I still see at least two ways for PM to pull it out.
-DM
He can form himself into complex, contiguous shape. He can't turn himself into a peice of block of swiss cheese. He can make himself into a donut by curling himself into a circle, but he can't simply open a hole in himself.
Antibodies are present throughout the entire body, especially near the brain.
I don't really think Hulk can win without using some sort of device, or jumping into a pool of magma, etc. Punching Plas isn't going to work, that's for sure.
If Plas can't do any better than stalemate Bane, how would he defeat Hulk?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk's power and sustenance comes from an extra-dimensional source. It's been established over and over again. Would you like proof?
Yes, actually.
Stop assuming so much, demi. Per fluorocarbon emulsion has nothing to do with the presence of water, or a lack thereof. Perflurocarbon emulsion involves a gas that is not present in water, but in the upper atmosphere. It's nothing like the process of that occurs in a fish's gills. Fish pull oxygen from the water the same way we pull oxygen from the air, except they do so more efficiently. There is no chemical reaction taking place, until the oxygen is metabolized.
I'm afraid you're misunderstanding the entire process, Cosmic. While it's true that perflurocarbon emulsions are made of a greenhouse gas (PFCs), it still needs a supply of oxygen, otherwise it's totally ineffective. In fact, it's so ineffective without a supply of oxygen that it would result in hypoxia without it. Research has shown that ventilating it in a oxygenated liquid (like, say, WATER) helps in a process called PLV - partial liquid ventilation. It allows him to build up oxygen in his lungs, but the emulsion would allow him to convert water into oxygen. THAT'S why it works underwater. THAT'S why it would not work in space. And THAT'S why PAD phrased it as such.
It was speculated that Hulk possessed such a gland. However, it has been established that Hulk draws power from an extra-dimensional source. Speculation or fact? Do I have to ask which is more tentative?
Peter Allen David, the premier WRITER of Hulk for YEARS, wouldn't need to speculate on any of that if it were "already established" that Hulk gets everything from extradimensional sources, now would he? You don't see people speculating on why Juggernaut doesn't need to breathe, right? No. Why? Because the gem protects him. You do read speculation on why Hulk can now breath underwater. Why? Because he hadn't been able to in the past.
So which is more tentative? I'd say this whole "extradimensional source" jargon you're spewing.
Inform me. When has Hulk passed out from a lack of oxygen?
I'll give ya four, because I'm so nice:
1. #470 - Hulk passes out from lack of oxygen
2. Black Bolt fights Hulk, tosses him into a volcano, where Hulk passes out from lack of oxygen in the area
3. Hulk #165. Hulk sits on the ocean floor, but wonders how he's going to live once he runs out of breath. Captain Omen is then nice enough to drop a oxygen helmet down for Hulk, in exchange for Hulk agreeing to help him.
4. Marvel Spotlight #5 - Ghost Rider beats Hulk by surrounding the Hulk with a fire aura, burning the oxygen around him and causing him to suffocate.
There are more, but this will get you started.
He is in orbit. In order to stay in orbit, he would have to maintain orbital velocity, which he cannot do, because he can't fly.
That's why I was asking whether or not he was there for any length of time, if you're up and down, then you've never hit orbit, you've just hit the upper atmosphere. If you've hit orbit, then you're following earth's orbit and going back down like water through a drain. The graphic is inconsistent in its depiction.