When does a thread become racist

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
WD, i am getting frustrated at the fact that people are either - missing my point or not reading properly or both.

I'll repeat this one more and pray to Krishna that people will read it and hopefully understand it - Christians are people, they are good , things they do that their ideology preaches are bad.

Not all Christians do bad, but I can by that disagree with their ideology. I don't have to follow it and with that I will not condem people that do in any way - its called co-existnace - but from my perspective i don't see anything wrong with critiquing someone who does something which is blatantly wrong in the [b]name of ideology (Christian, Jew, Muslim, Voodoo, Hindu, Morman, Bahai...whichever).

If you are gonna ban Abortion in the name of Bible, or if you're gonna stone homosexuals or kill the non believers, in the name of your ideology, I would first look into your ideology that you follow, before i look into you personaly.

Does that make sense?

Being black does not coordinate your moral code. Black person doing something bad is them being bad, not their skin colour. No black man will blame something he does wrong on his skin colour (cos thats what my skin preaches). No, they will blame it on the social status, mental problem, psychological problem..etc.etc.

Please, tell me YOU understand anything I've said. [/B]

I understand, I just think its you who miss the point, that belief defines someone as much as physicality, you are an example of this yourself, its your belief in your ideas that is defining you at this point. The question you have to ask is are you happy with what its telling the world?

Originally posted by WindDancer
No, my post was not directed at you. I just saw the words Black and Christian and also Bad in negatives. Not pin pointing anything at you.

Whoops, double post! I gonna get the whippin' now.... 😛

Originally posted by WindDancer
No, my post was not directed at you. I just saw the words Black and Christian and also Bad in negatives. Not pin pointing anything at you.

Oh OK, gotcha 🙂

Originally posted by whirlysplat
If you don't understand that I really worry for you

im already worrying for you

Originally posted by BackFire
How can an ideology based on something "good" be bad? And why does having an ideology automatically equate to someone doing bad? That's exactly the type of generalization that I'm talking about that is not good.

That quote is erroneous. It's making the assumption that good people can do bad because of religion. How can good people do something bad because of their religion, obviously, if they're truly "good" they won't allow religion to sway them to doing something bad, and if they do, they obviously aren't very good to begin with.

And many people's major morals are independent of their religion. Atheists and Christians both hold that murder, theft and lying is wrong. Some smaller morals may be swayed by religion, but they're usually trivial.

How can people do bad because of religion? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

You can use the religious book to justify anything. Do witch triels ring any bells? Were those not done in the name of religion? Were they GOOD things?

Persecution of homosexuals - clearly stated in the bible - old testamont - laws for both, jews and christians, says clearly that they will be killed, is a moral thing?

Please explain.

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Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How can people do bad because of religion? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

You can use the religious book to justify anything. Do witch triels ring any bells? Were those not done in the name of religion? Were they GOOD things?

Persecution of homosexuals - clearly stated in the bible - old testamont - laws for both, jews and christians, says clearly that they will be killed, is a moral thing?

Please explain.

People used religion as an excuse for all of those things, this is true.

However, where I being to disagree is in that, I don't think they did those things BECAUSE of religion. Had they not been religious, I think they would have still done those things. I think the true culprit with these people is simple ignorance, nothing more.

As I said, GOOD people, won't do bad because of their religion, if they allow religion to sway them to think that it's okay to do bad, then they weren't good people to begin with. Bad people will do bad things then blame it on religion.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How can people do bad because of religion? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

You can use the religious book to justify anything. Do witch triels ring any bells? Were those not done in the name of religion? Were they GOOD things?

Persecution of homosexuals - clearly stated in the bible - old testamont - laws for both, jews and christians, says clearly that they will be killed, is a moral thing?

Please explain.

Lack of a belief system can also be damaging. I am not religious, i could argue all socialogical perspectives from Marxist trough Functionalist to Feminist, but I think they all miss the basic "search" element which is why all my degrees are in real Science😄

Originally posted by whirlysplat
I understand, I just think its you who miss the point, that belief defines someone as much as physicality, you are an example of this yourself, its your belief in your ideas that is defining you at this point. The question you have to ask is are you happy with what its telling the world?

The point is totally different to the original post, cos we went off on one.

The point I want to make about religion, and perhaps didnt make it well due to the fact that i was too busy making the point between racism and religion is -

As long as religion is kept personal - its nothing to be of anyone elses consern. As soon as the religion becomes political, it becomes as bad as any other odeology and its open for critisism.

Skin colour does not have the freedom of this shift.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How can people do bad because of religion? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

You can use the religious book to justify anything. Do witch triels ring any bells? Were those not done in the name of religion? Were they GOOD things?

Persecution of homosexuals - clearly stated in the bible - old testamont - laws for both, jews and christians, says clearly that they will be killed, is a moral thing?

Please explain.

And 9\11 and the Spain and London railway bombings. 2 more things done in the name of religion. It might also be pointed out that homosexual activity is also punishable by death in extremist Islam as well. Sadly these 3 religions have more in common in their flaws than in the potential brilliance that exists when noone in either of these religions is busy playing God...🙁

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How can people do bad because of religion? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

You can use the religious book to justify anything. Do witch triels ring any bells? Were those not done in the name of religion? Were they GOOD things?

Persecution of homosexuals - clearly stated in the bible - old testamont - laws for both, jews and christians, says clearly that they will be killed, is a moral thing?

Please explain.

Well these kind of ideas have lead to ethnic cleansing (ethnicity usually based on religion and race) more than once!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
WD, i am getting frustrated at the fact that people are either - missing my point or not reading properly or both.

I'll repeat this one more and pray to Krishna that people will read it and hopefully understand it - Christians are people, they are good , things they do that their ideology preaches are bad.

Not all Christians do bad, but I can by that disagree with their ideology. I don't have to follow it and with that I will not condem people that do in any way - its called co-existnace - but from my perspective i don't see anything wrong with critiquing someone who does something which is blatantly wrong in the [b]name of ideology (Christian, Jew, Muslim, Voodoo, Hindu, Morman, Bahai...whichever).

If you are gonna ban Abortion in the name of Bible, or if you're gonna stone homosexuals or kill the non believers, in the name of your ideology, I would first look into your ideology that you follow, before i look into you personaly.

Does that make sense?

Being black does not coordinate your moral code. Black person doing something bad is them being bad, not their skin colour. No black man will blame something he does wrong on his skin colour (cos thats what my skin preaches). No, they will blame it on the social status, mental problem, psychological problem..etc.etc.

Please tell me you understand what im saying (if you do, then you are free to disagree 😛) [/B]

I follow what you're saying but you keep throwing the word "ideology" in your examples and in your comments. That word is too broad for the discussion. Basically ideology is a collection of thoughts and ideas. If you're referring to ideology in a ideal moral order than you're indeed touching on ethnecities. Ideology also includes political association and since you're mention the Nazi's and the Jews then we have a clash of ideologies in both religion and politics. Do you really want to get into that?

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Lack of a belief system can also be damaging. I am not religious, i could argue all socialogical perspectives from Marxist trough Functionalist to Feminist, but I think they all miss the basic "search" element which is why all my degrees are in real Science😄

Im Anti-functionalism, although I agree with few things. 😛

About lack of religion - refer above.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The point is totally different to the original post, cos we went off on one.

The point I want to make about religion, and perhaps didnt make it well due to the fact that i was too busy making the point between racism and religion is -

As long as religion is kept personal - its nothing to be of anyone elses consern. As soon as the religion becomes political, it becomes as bad as any other odeology and its open for critisism.

Skin colour does not have the freedom of this shift.

Tell that to Micheal Jackson 😛

Originally posted by WindDancer
I follow what you're saying but you keep throwing the word "ideology" in your examples and in your comments. That word is too broad for the discussion. Basically ideology is a collection of thoughts and ideas. If you're referring to ideology in a ideal moral order than you're indeed touching on ethnecities. Ideology also includes political association and since you're mention the Nazi's and the Jews then we have a clash of ideologies in both religion and politics. Do you really want to get into that?

Is religion not a collection of thoughts and ideas? If not, what is it?

Originally posted by BackFire
Tell that to Micheal Jackson 😛

Good save. 😂

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Is religion not a collection of thoughts and ideas? If not, what is it?

it is made to imprison the mind and limit your thought

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Is religion not a collection of thoughts and ideas? If not, what is it?

It is, but I think the problem stems from the generalization you seemed to make of Ideology = bad, which isn't the case.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Is religion not a collection of thoughts and ideas? If not, what is it?

Religion involves many thoughts and ideas. But it also involves a faith. If you're using the ideology of the Nazi's and the ideology of the Jews then you're going to crash the argument. Because then you're giving the Nazi's ideology an excuse for their actions. Why? because they're doing what they consider is right.

IMPRISONED MINDS

oh ffs