Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Is religion not a collection of thoughts and ideas? If not, what is it?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1517186,00.html
others a "need" and others still simply "who they are".
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/w_k_clifford/ethics_of_belief.html
Originally posted by WindDancer
Religion involves many thoughts and ideas. But it also involves a faith. If you're using the ideology of the Nazi's and the ideology of the Jews then you're going to crash the argument. Because then you're giving the Nazi's ideology an excuse for their actions. Why? because they're doing what they consider is right.
Originally posted by BackFire
It is, but I think the problem stems from the generalization you seemed to make of Ideology = bad, which isn't the case.
Hmm, point was missunderstood or rather poorly explained on my part.
Its not the ideology that needs saving from people, its other way around. By that I mean, its not that people corrupt ideology, but rather that ideology corrupts people. Hence the examples above.
I never meant to say the whole thing was wrong - but parts are, and its not the peoples fault (they are not the bad horrible ones), but ideological - they only follow it and are influenced by it.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Hmm, point was missunderstood or rather poorly explained on my part.Its not the ideology that needs saving from people, its other way around. By that I mean, its not that people corrupt ideology, but rather that ideology corrupts people. Hence the examples above.
I never meant to say the whole thing was wrong - but parts are, and its not the peoples fault (they are not the bad horrible ones), but ideological - they only follow it and are influenced by it.
And you decide which part of someones faith is right or wrong? Thats a crooked ideolgy imo
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Captain obvious to the rescue!And?
Yes, it should be obvious. I don't understand why you don't get it.
Muslims are being generalized here. Not the Religion or ideology, but the people.
Badmouthing an entire group of people because of a few in that group is a bad thing.
Originally posted by dawsey28
Yes, it should be obvious. I don't understand why you don't get it.Muslims are being generalized here. Not the Religion or ideology, but the people.
Badmouthing an entire group of people because of a few in that group is a bad thing.
Where did I say anything about Muslims. Quote me. Where did I generalise Muslims.
Please show the quote.
I did not say that YOU generalize Muslims, now did I? But it is happening in this forum and you said it was okay. I think you might have misunderstood what Whirly was asking because of what you said in this quote
Whos talking about putting anyone down? Is that what people do these days?,
but here is the quote where you said it was okay :
Yes - i believe the comments are ok. I feel free to critisize religion, its something chosen, while place of birth and colour are not.
Nearly every one of your posts are dealing with ideology.
My point is that Muslims are people not Religions or ideologies.
Why do you critisize Christians?Religions are ideologies.
Same thing here. Christians are people, not the religion itself.
Religion (or any other ideology) is something religious people DO, not what they ARE.Black people are something those people ARE not something they DO.
You DO (practice) religion. You dont practice being black. You ARE black. Thats the end of it.
Here again, you don't seem to understand the difference btwn religion and a follower of religion. (Islam, Muslim for example.)
When someone is generalizing, they are talking about PEOPLE, not the religion. Note: I did not say that you were generalizing.
I think you are trying to say the same thing as everyone else, but when you kept using the term ideology it confused me and everyone else.
And that is why I said this:
Yes, religion is.Islam = religion.
Muslim = follower of Islam.
A Muslim is a person
Originally posted by dawsey28
I did not say that YOU generalize Muslims, now did I? But it is happening in this forum and you said it was okay. I think you might have misunderstood what Whirly was asking because of what you said in this quote,
but here is the quote where you said it was okay :
Nearly every one of your posts are dealing with ideology.
My point is that Muslims are people not Religions or ideologies.Same thing here. Christians are people, not the religion itself.
Here again, you don't seem to understand the difference btwn religion and a follower of religion. (Islam, Muslim for example.)
When someone is generalizing, they are talking about PEOPLE, not the religion. Note: I did not say that you were generalizing.
I think you are trying to say the same thing as everyone else, but when you kept using the term ideology it confused me and everyone else.
And that is why I said this:
Yes you did
Originally posted by dawsey28
I did not say that YOU generalize Muslims, now did I? But it is happening in this forum and you said it was okay. I think you might have misunderstood what Whirly was asking because of what you said in this quote,
but here is the quote where you said it was okay :
Nearly every one of your posts are dealing with ideology.
My point is that Muslims are people not Religions or ideologies.Same thing here. Christians are people, not the religion itself.
Here again, you don't seem to understand the difference btwn religion and a follower of religion. (Islam, Muslim for example.)
When someone is generalizing, they are talking about PEOPLE, not the religion. Note: I did not say that you were generalizing.
I think you are trying to say the same thing as everyone else, but when you kept using the term ideology it confused me and everyone else.
And that is why I said this:
Be sure to follow all my replies before you reply to me. What you quoted had nothing to do with the origianl post, as I explained - i was making sure there is a differance between colour of skin and religion.
And as someone who is doing a degree in social sciences and who has read both Quran and Bible (Torah is been read and translated to me as i dont speak Hebrew), its a little far fetched for you to tell me I dont know the difference between religion and peoeple.
Thats absolutely ridiculous and for one shows that you didnt bother reading everything I wrote.
It can´t be racist because "Muslim" isn´t a race but a religion. All sorts of people are Muslims, whites as well.
Is there a word for "Anti Muslim" like Anti semetic is for people who dislike Jews?
Not suprising that people are becoming less tolerant towards Muslims. At the moment thier extremists the only ones which participate in terrorist acts, and they don´t care who they kill even fellow muslims.
You tar everyone with the same brush
"racism" can also be against a religious group
Some people on here don't believe we have different race but we are all of the "race" of man.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
It can´t be racist because "Muslim" isn´t a race but a religion. All sorts of people are Muslims, whites as well.Is there a word for "Anti Muslim" like Anti semetic is for people who dislike Jews?
Not suprising that people are becoming less tolerant towards Muslims. At the moment thier extremists the only ones which participate in terrorist acts, and they don´t care who they kill even fellow muslims.
When does a Thread become racist?
When I say it is
http://www.gogogadgetearl.com/pics/desks/family-guy_evil-monkey_tie.jpg
No...but I can make it smaller....although you deserve the whole Evilness of the Monkey
Oh by the way, you just said that cause I am Germ,an....racist 🙁
