Originally posted by who?-kid
SM set up at least three traps, but nothing worked. There were absolutely NO outside factors. Firelord was not weakened, not in the least, by those traps, and if he was, I challenge everybody to show me exactly when and where.The last trap seemed to work because Firelord lay on the ground and didn't move anymore - he was hoping to lure SM, and it worked. When SM came near, Firelord stood up and said something like : you fool and SM realized he couldn't escape no more.
The rest is history 😉
Oh yeah, see the scans of whobdamandog for more details.
Agreed....long time no see buddy..this thread is bringing back memories of the good ol historic Spidey vs Cap/Wolvie/DD thread..lol..to bad we don't have Scoobless/Jk/and Jinzin to argue with...especially Jk..I used to love tearing apart his posts..😆I believe he's been reincarnated as Creshrock, however, I might be wrong. Cresh if you read this your welcome to correct me..
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ok, so a lot of really good posts and points here. Obviously, I can't respond to them all, but I agree with a lot of what's said.
Let's play a game. Spider-Man gets three days prep with unlimited raw materials for building equipment at his disposal (but he can only build things he's capable of building within the time frame), the fight takes place in NYC, and the characters are playing to their personalities (that means Silver Surfer is his usual pacifist self). Which Spider-Man victories could you accept against the following who have no prep:
Hulk
Juggernaut
Gravitron
Magneto
Silver Surfer
Adam Warlock
Titania
The Fantastic Four
Eric Masterson Thor
Firelord
someone's gonna say he couldn't beat ANY of them wothout a high degree of PIS involved . . .
hulk - with unlimited materials, i'd love to see him come up with a new impact webbing. with it, he could get in close to hulk and fire a couple down his throat and in his nose. when it hits, it expands, suffocating hulk. could hulk rip out his own throat? could he survive something like that? that's playing really dirty, but i wonder . . .
juggs - can't see a way for petey to do it. sealing him in a cement foundation wasn't really a win as much as it was a delaying tactic.
gravitron - not sure. nothing comes to mind unless he could somehow catch grav unawares.
current mags? can't see it. old mags - see gravitron
ss - no way
warlock - no way
titania - yes. the easiest of the bunch.
ff - if he could get them one on one somehow he might. he's beaten johnny. it'd be tough, but sm could conceiveably find a way. sue would be especially tricky.
thor - don't see it.
firelord - redundant. i accepted that he's done it once.
course, just cuz i can't see how he could win, doesn't mean some clever writer couldn't figure out a logical way. but the writer would have to be VERY clever indeed . . .
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Agreed....long time no see buddy..this thread is bringing back memories of the good ol historic Spidey vs Cap/Wolvie/DD thread..lol..to bad we don't have Scoobless/Jk/and Jinzin to argue with...especially Jk..I used to love tearing apart his posts..😆I believe he's been reincarnated as Creshrock, however, I might be wrong. Cresh if you read this your welcome to correct me...
I loved that thread, too bad he you won't argue wolverine vs spiderman.
Originally posted by demigawd
ok, so a lot of really good posts and points here. Obviously, I can't respond to them all, but I agree with a lot of what's said.Let's play a game. Spider-Man gets three days prep with unlimited raw materials for building equipment at his disposal (but he can only build things he's capable of building within the time frame), the fight takes place in NYC, and the characters are playing to their personalities (that means Silver Surfer is his usual pacifist self). Which Spider-Man victories could you accept against the following who have no prep:
Hulk
Juggernaut
Gravitron
Magneto
Silver Surfer
Adam Warlock
Titania
The Fantastic Four
Eric Masterson Thor
Firelord
Hulk - Depends on which incarnation....if it was Savage..he'd have to get the drop on him quickly...once Savage becomes enraged..he ain't gonna be able to do much to him. If it happened to be the Professor or Gray hulk, I doubt it..both are way too crafty and intelligent.
Juggernaut - Sorry Spidey..but you are about to be squished...
Gravitron - Possible victory..but not very likely. Only way he's going to win is if he has a device with him that negates Gravitrons abilities..
Magneto - Same as above..
Silver Surfer - Norrin is much more even tempered than Firelord..and much more durable/powerful..Sorry Petey..but you don't stand a chance buddy...I don't care how many speedblitzes ya do..
Adam Warlock - It's possible..Warlock can be a bit arrogant at times..which can definately be used against him. Spidey could pull a Firelord type victory over him...
Titania - She goes down for a third time...Gotta remember..Spidey regulary takes on someone as strong as Titania...The Rhino..he's class 80 and has a near invulnerable hide. I believe he's actually KO'd Rhino several times..Titania goes down much quicker than Rhino..
Fantastic Four - Naaaaw..the first fight he took them by surprise..and the FF were a very new team at the time..Reed and the gang know him to well by now..they'd take him down..
Masterson Thor - Quite possible...He might even be the easiest person to beat on this list due to his inexperience. What issue was it that they fought again? I recall it being an issue with the Absorbing man. Anyway...Masterson himself stated that he could barely see Spider Man..and that Spidey's barrage of punches were really weakening him...if he could seperate Masterson from the hammer for 60 seconds..then the battle would be over very quickly.
Firelord - Ain't going to happen a second time...
That's my argument and I'm sticking to it.. 😎
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Amazing..Mercilous..actually agrees with me..lol..😆Now would you agree that it would be logical to assume that Spider Man could use a combination of his speed, reflexes, strength, webbing, tactical skill, resourcefullness...etc..etc..to overcome much more powerful opponents?
More powerful? It depends really. Some advantages are simply more important than others.
Originally posted by demigawd
ok, so a lot of really good posts and points here. Obviously, I can't respond to them all, but I agree with a lot of what's said.Let's play a game. Spider-Man gets three days prep with unlimited raw materials for building equipment at his disposal (but he can only build things he's capable of building within the time frame), the fight takes place in NYC, and the characters are playing to their personalities (that means Silver Surfer is his usual pacifist self). Which Spider-Man victories could you accept against the following who have no prep:
Hulk
Juggernaut
Gravitron
Magneto
Silver Surfer
Adam Warlock
Titania
The Fantastic Four
Eric Masterson Thor
Firelord
And these characters don't get a similar advantage right?
I'd say
Hulk and Titania
don't know enough about Graviton to comment
Originally posted by demigawd
Let's play a game. Spider-Man gets three days prep with unlimited raw materials for building equipment at his disposal (but he can only build things he's capable of building within the time frame), the fight takes place in NYC, and the characters are playing to their personalities (that means Silver Surfer is his usual pacifist self). Which Spider-Man victories could you accept against the following who have no prep:Hulk
Juggernaut
Gravitron
Magneto
Silver Surfer
Adam Warlock
Titania
The Fantastic Four
Eric Masterson Thor
Firelord
Originally posted by demigawd
ok, so a lot of really good posts and points here. Obviously, I can't respond to them all, but I agree with a lot of what's said.Let's play a game. Spider-Man gets three days prep with unlimited raw materials for building equipment at his disposal (but he can only build things he's capable of building within the time frame), the fight takes place in NYC, and the characters are playing to their personalities (that means Silver Surfer is his usual pacifist self). Which Spider-Man victories could you accept against the following who have no prep:
Hulk
Juggernaut
Gravitron
Magneto
Silver Surfer
Adam Warlock
Titania
The Fantastic Four
Eric Masterson Thor
Firelord
Juggernaut
He beat him in a cheap way, that issue was so ridicoulus I've sell the comic book to a friend of mine.
Graviton
It's not even a fight.Graviton loses cause he let his enemies get close to him, in an excess of self confidence.When he fight focused and confident, he's on a god-like level.He can just stop Spidey and crush his internal organs with his powers or make his body explode or just suffocate him, it's not fun to see.
Magneto
See above.
Silver Surfer
He's above Spider-Man in every sector, not a fight.Spidey give him troubles cause after all writers must show fanboys Spidey has a chance.
Adam Warlock
See above
Titania
This girl is hella strong and durable and even when he was starting to tap in the Unipower of Captain Universe, Spide struggled to defeat her, then blasted her in an excess of rage.She can K.O. him if she doesn't act stupid.
FF4
Torch creates a fire cage, Ben punch Spidey, he can resist to certain level of heat, Susan blocks his arms and legs with his force fields, Reed suffocate him.
Masterson Thor
He has same Thor's abilities, the issue in which Spidey is giving hella fight to him is simply a piece of crap with circumstances created to show Spidey can smack down with everyone.That is pushover
Firelord
See SS comment
You know what I didn't know before about the Spiderman vs. Firelord fight...
I didn't know that Spidey was enhanced and powered up by the venom symbiote. I had never seen the fight before, so I never knew that. I know that TECHNICALLY, Firelord should win, but the symbiote actually does change things a little. I mean, it increases his speed, strength, reflexes, agility, endurance, durability, awareness...EVERYTHING.
I'm just saying, Symbiote Spidey is much better than normal Spidey. It would really be something to reckon with I think.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You know what I didn't know before about the Spiderman vs. Firelord fight...I didn't know that Spidey was enhanced and powered up by the venom symbiote. I had never seen the fight before, so I never knew that. I know that TECHNICALLY, Firelord should win, but the symbiote actually does change things a little. I mean, it increases his speed, strength, reflexes, agility, endurance, durability, awareness...EVERYTHING.
I'm just saying, Symbiote Spidey is much better than normal Spidey. It would really be something to reckon with I think.
It augmented Brocks strength and so, but not Spider-Man's. It's a mistake lots of people make, but again, the black suit (symbiote) did not make SM stronger or whatever. Not in the least.
Can you prove that? I'd love to know why. Seriously, not even being mean. I really would like to know. From everything I know about Spidey (not bragging, but I know quite a bit), the symbiote augmented him, too. But it also made him become more evil.
But really, if you have proof, I'll be glad to see it and and glad to change my decision as well.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Can you prove that? I'd love to know why. Seriously, not even being mean. I really would like to know. From everything I know about Spidey (not bragging, but I know quite a bit), the symbiote augmented him, too. But it also made him become more evil.But really, if you have proof, I'll be glad to see it and and glad to change my decision as well.
But I'll try it like this : I don't recall even one scene - comic - situation where anybody said that SM's powers were in some way augmented.
The only special "powers" his suit gave him, was some kind of filter against gasses and the fact it could change into his normal clothes. The symbiote augmented Brocks strength because Brock had no superpowers - lame excuse I know, but it is the truth.
But again, it's a typical mistake most people make. Other famous example : the Hulk originally was not green.