Originally posted by supremthor
i m giving these fight to thor seeing as the rules of the forum. cuss from the start adam is gonna no that without the hammer thors in trouble. and sens adam has the power of the gods he can hold thors hammer.
Irrelevant. You can be above skyfather and not be able to hold it. You have to be worthy of holding it.
Originally posted by sylvanelf
I find it interesting that in this thread there are many who say Black Adam's speed is a major factor in getting wins against Thor, yet in the Superman vs Thor thread, those in favor of Thor cite how ineffective superspeed is against him.So which is it?
The answer is simple. People, mostly Marvel fans, hate Superman, because he can take out their favorite characters. Sure, they'll find stuff like "no, it's cause he's boring", or "he's too strong" or so on and so forth. But it all comes down to "he can beat my fav. character and i hate him". BA isn't quite as commercial and so isn't quite that well known, but trust you me, if he were as well known as Superman, he'd suffer the same fate 🙁
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Irrelevant. You can be above skyfather and not be able to hold it. You have to be [b] worthy of holding it. [/B]
noy realy that were your wrong. trust me on this. the worthy bullshiite only works on mortals. it has zero to any effect on gods. like in the wizard thor vs capatin marvel shazam. thor throw the hammer at shazam but shazam court it. the was staighted that he was a god. like wonderwoman using the hammer, beta ray, and others i just gotta look throw my thor comics to find some. and another thing if your a god and you have thors hammer the hammer is not gonna boost your strength and power or anything.
Originally posted by supremthor
noy realy that were your wrong. trust me on this. the worthy bullshiite only works on mortals. it has zero to any effect on gods. like in the wizard thor vs capatin marvel shazam. thor throw the hammer at shazam but shazam court it. the was staighted that he was a god. like wonderwoman using the hammer, beta ray, and others i just gotta look throw my thor comics to find some. and another thing if your a god and you have thors hammer the hammer is not gonna boost your strength and power or anything.
I'm really sorry, but i'm very tired and have a headache and can't be bothered to try to decypher what the hell you tried to say in there ❌
Originally posted by Dark Urizen
I'm really sorry, but i'm very tired and have a headache and can't be bothered to try to decypher what the hell you tried to say in there ❌
my bad i was a lil high when i wrote that. what i was saying was that black could and would most deff take thors hammer away from him.
Originally posted by supremthor
my bad i was a lil high when i wrote that. what i was saying was that black could and would most deff take thors hammer away from him.
Aaaahhhh......hmmmm.......got evidence of "unworthy" people lifting and using Mjolnir against Thor? If you do, i'll be inclined to agree.
It does make sense, that someone with greater or equal power to Odin who made the enchantment would be able to "override" it and be able to use the hammer, but i wouldn't compare BA to Odin just yet 😛
"They actually armwrestled twice."
Yup. Two stalemates.
"I find it interesting that in this thread there are many who say Black Adam's speed is a major factor in getting wins against Thor, yet in the Superman vs Thor thread, those in favor of Thor cite how ineffective superspeed is against him.
So which is it?"
The fact Supes and co dont speedblitz everyone and that Thor has also superspeed.
They both can take each other.
"it's always been my impression that ww is SLIGHTLY stronger than cm, and ww is SLIGHTLY LESS strong than supes. at the least, i'd say ww=cm<supes"
She never showed any advantage in strenght.
"but i really don't see cm as having a higher durability than superman."
Its been stated as much.
"and in dc ww is supposedly stronger than herc, ergo stronger than cm."
And yet, where is the proof of that?
CM tangles with SM physically better than WW does. Has been stated to be his exact equal more than once while WW is definatly not shown to be as or stronger. Not even stated as such.
As for the WW-Herc issue:
-both- have claims to be stronger.
WW claimed Herc held briefly the earth and she couldnt move it with help.
All the times they showed up together she never showed to be stronger.
Taking the Earth feat wich iirc its cannon at DC and the three times holding Paradise`s Island weight against someone whos main feats are always with help sure makes her look not stronger in my eyes.
Heck even PreCrisis when she was tagged stronger than him, had Cap Marvel beating Supes ocassionally and WW also losing against Herc.
I don't see what all good besides removal from battlefield the hammer will do to someone who "shrugs off magical attacks like running through a sprinkler".
Thor can go fast, but he's not frequently as fast as BA is in combat. In fact, Thor couldn't hit Mongoose who's not on the level of DC speedsters in general let alone someone who can throw down with someone tapping the speed force.
And yet on another ocassions he has been stated to be faster than the eye can see, and move it on that range while saving a population from a volcano.
Granted he isent as fast, but in comics its the enough to tangle with the speedsters and -at least- get some hits on the opponent.
-in comics-
If speed was acually such a killing blow move, Flash would own anyone before they could react.
Originally posted by olympian
"and in dc ww is supposedly stronger than herc, ergo stronger than cm."And yet, where is the proof of that?
CM tangles with SM physically better than WW does. Has been stated to be his exact equal more than once while WW is definatly not shown to be as or stronger. Not even stated as such.
As for the WW-Herc issue:
-both- have claims to be stronger.
WW claimed Herc held briefly the earth and she couldnt move it with help.
All the times they showed up together she never showed to be stronger.
Taking the Earth feat wich iirc its cannon at DC and the three times holding Paradise`s Island weight against someone whos main feats are always with help sure makes her look not stronger in my eyes.
Heck even PreCrisis when she was tagged stronger than him, had Cap Marvel beating Supes ocassionally and WW also losing against Herc.
dc herc never held the earth on his shoulders. and had i been claiming my IMPRESSION as fact, i would need proof. none of them have ever fought bloodlusted to a conclusion (though the recent supes/ww battle was close and she at least held her own) so we don't REALLY know. their battles have been inconclusive, but that's irrelevent to an impression. supes is generally regarded to be the most powerful. it's a sentiment i agree with.
you said it was STATED that cm's durability > supes. i asked WHERE it was stated. you never answered. you are claiming this is a fact. i am basing my belief on a general impression of what i have read and seen of the characters over years and years. NOT jus how they've done head-to-head which is definitely not always the best gauge. so, again -- where was it stated? and where was it stated that supes and cm are exact equals? they are viewed as close, no doubt, but where is it said they are exact equals?
and a slight aside -- didn't draco post an issue number where zeus states ww is stronger than herc, or ww is second only to superman in strength? i could be wrong there, but i thought he'd posted that issue.
Superman pretty much has no equal, he has people ON PAR or in his class, and about WW... she snapped Max Lord's neck to avoid having to fight Superman any longer due to the inevitable outcome of if she failed there. In fact, the whole impression given off the Sacrifice series, and the books that followed was that if unchecked, no one would have stopped Superman period. He'd just keep stepping up another notch, and that's exactly what Superman does.
Originally posted by olympianDC Heros are just that though, Heros. They play to the level of their opponents to get the win without killing them, ala Spiderman for example[One of Marvel's few actaul heros imo.].
And yet on another ocassions he has been stated to be faster than the eye can see, and move it on that range while saving a population from a volcano.Granted he isent as fast, but in comics its the enough to tangle with the speedsters and -at least- get some hits on the opponent.
-in comics-
If speed was acually such a killing blow move, Flash would own anyone before they could react.
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman pretty much has no equal, he has people ON PAR or in his class, and about WW... she snapped Max Lord's neck to avoid having to fight Superman any longer due to the inevitable outcome of if she failed there. In fact, the whole impression given off the Sacrifice series, and the books that followed was that if unchecked, no one would have stopped Superman period. He'd just keep stepping up another notch, and that's exactly what Superman does.
you are exactly right, imo. i was speaking only of what happened in the fight. ww gave as good as she got. she WOULD have failed, eventually, i believe, and that was certainly the impression she gave as well.
Originally posted by leonidasand a slight aside -- didn't draco post an issue number where zeus states ww is stronger than herc, or ww is second only to superman in strength? i could be wrong there, but i thought he'd posted that issue.
She might be stronger then Hercules, but is she stronger then Amon?
The god that Black Adam get's his strength from?
I think Amon is skyfather.