"i've read wotg at least twice. where does it say that?"
When some heroes look at both and imply that WW is supossily stronger than him, so they`ve heard. Herc in that saga claims thats wrong and asks WW to come down and show it and she doesnt. Twice.
The Earth feat its also referenced when meeting again with Atlas after centuries iirc.
"who's kayle? you mean kyle?"
Sorry, yes Kyle.
"and i showed a scan saying definitive;y that he never held the earth. you showed a bunch, but where is a scan that says conclusively that he did? i can't make out the writing in your last 2, so if it's there it's too small to read."
You showed a scan wich statement has been changed and retconned more than once.
About those two, yeah they wer resized and i didnt though they would get that small. Here they are for better IMo:
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6431/godssplit3ly.jpg
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/2292/godssplit13di.jpg
"and in your first scans, is she fighting in her own body, or her aunt's? if she is seen as her aunt, maybe she has her aunt's body and strength".
It was her but everyone saw her as Antiope.
Antiope didnt had super strenght that was showed there to punch Herc and do what she did. Also notice she has the bracelets here, while no other amazon did. The same bracelets that only show up in amazons history after said invasion...
"in any event, even allowing for whatever inconsistencies exist between ww/herc we can call them equal for the sake of debate, that's fine"
Thats something i would agree, -under- some showings. But honestly never stronger. Not because she "shouldnt" or its feminist, but because they never wrote her being like that.
Then you have the statements indicating superior strength, and her having only great feats with help where alone she couldnt take the weight, like the heavens chariot (?) and Earth. I belive shes less strong with the examples i see.
"but even if they are equal, cm=<herc (depending if you buy draco's theory about cm only having a portion of the gods' powers, but either way cm is certainly not > herc)"
He doesnt get the full power of any of his patrons. But the portions he does like in strenght are boosted by Zeus power thus making him still formidable and top tier.
I sure wouldnt consider him so if per example he only had Herc`s portion of strenght and nothing more. Still way above human but not top tier material.
"then cm is still only =<ww. since it is acknowledged that supes>ww, then . . . supes also>cm"
I hope the scans ill get (not on these days tho, thats for oter things) will show how many times they ve been called equals. Most writters seem to follow the idea.
"and loebs was silly in many ways"
He wrote what he saw as logic. Same with other writter.
"most would consider perez's ww the more accurate depiction of the character. not that it matters much as far as canon goes"
Cannon changes, you dont stick with the first example after all the runs and plots that have been passed throu. Not to mention that he was the writter of WOTG where the split ideas came from (ZeusxJupiter and so on) and where the statements im talking started taking form.
When Heracles stated what you posted, that he was "separated" from his avatar. When the statements im mentioning started he was one again (in WOTG where they merged). I belive it shows what it shows.
And cannonwise the last one its still the Jla one.
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