Originally posted by Nai Fohl
You know that Vaapad can only hardly be controlled while Makashi is a style that uses precission. Dooku can unleash anything he has without risking Mace getting injured but Mace can't do the same because there will always be the risk that Vaapad starts controlling him instead him controlling Vaapad. Would you use that style to the full extend against somebody you won't hurt ?As I said...inferior opponents. They were nowhere near Dooku's level but they were nowhere near Mace's level either. Asajj, Anakin and Kenobi are all pretty much on the same level and that "level" is lightyears away from people like Dooku, Yoda and Mace - so they are inferior.
Yes. Yoda was "yelling" but that were battle cries and no signs of exhaustion. The AotC script pretty much makes clear that Dooku was near getting defeated after 30 seconds against Yoda (OK...Dooku had to fight Obi-Wan and Anakin before but I don't think this did cost him much power).
Oh please...not this again. Palpatine did have the saber pointed on Mace chest and he walked forward but Mace walked backwards and at the end pushed that saber away. And why the hell should Sidious "fake" that fight when there was no audience around to see that fake ? He could have simply dominate Mace and then throw his saber away shortly before Anakin would have entered the room - same effect and less risking his life.
Grievous, Asajj and Sora simply ran away. What should Mace do ? Throw a lightsaber in their backs ? And he didn't even try to kill Depa because he didn't want to hurt her. Well...he got a lightsaber through his abdomen and still walked out alive being the "winner".
And still Dooku wouldn't defeat him easily - if indeed.
Oh please...not this again. Palpatine did have the saber pointed on Mace chest and he walked forward but Mace walked backwards and at the end pushed that saber away. And why the hell should Sidious "fake" that fight when there was no audience around to see that fake ? He could have simply dominate Mace and then throw his saber away shortly before Anakin would have entered the room - same effect and less risking his life.
Same effect? Why the hell would Sidious want to dominate Mace in front of Anakin? He wanted to make the Jedi look bad. Palpatine could have easily parried forward, considering he apparently uses speed into his Lightsaber style. Don't hand me that shit that he couldn't prop his ass forward. And his arm was fully extended, but he could have easily jabbed him using his shoulders. C'mon now.
Yes. Yoda was "yelling" but that were battle cries and no signs of exhaustion. The AotC script pretty much makes clear that Dooku was near getting defeated after 30 seconds against Yoda (OK...Dooku had to fight Obi-Wan and Anakin before but I don't think this did cost him much power).
That's great, but we aren't talking about Yoda VS Dooku and we all know Dooku ran out of defeat.... Well, at least some of us do....
Does the AotC script tell us that Yoda was yelling Battle cries?
You know that Vaapad can only hardly be controlled while Makashi is a style that uses precission. Dooku can unleash anything he has without risking Mace getting injured but Mace can't do the same because there will always be the risk that Vaapad starts controlling him instead him controlling Vaapad. Would you use that style to the full extend against somebody you won't hurt ?
Mace couldn't do that anyways, Training match or not. He is a Jedi and he has to hold back some factors of the Form so it does not take over it, being that it requires Dark energy. So maybe he did try to go all out under essential circumstance of his Form.
As I said...inferior opponents. They were nowhere near Dooku's level but they were nowhere near Mace's level either. Asajj, Anakin and Kenobi are all pretty much on the same level and that "level" is lightyears away from people like Dooku, Yoda and Mace - so they are inferior.
Either way, Both Dooku and Mace died to both "Inferior" Opponents.
It doesn't matter if Dooku didn't go all out or if Mace didn't expect it, either way they both fell to someone who was apparently "Inferior" to them. So i suppose that doesn't matter, right?
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
"Unfortunately I'm deaf on that ear..."That means I wouldn't listen to arguments leading to a certain direction (In this case: Yoda getting tired / having problems while fighting Dooku). 😉
Ahh I see. My german is not the best seeing as I just tested the limits of my knowledge concerning the language. No offence but all german words seem to sound alike.
Originally posted by Veneficus
Ahh I see. My german is not the best seeing as I just tested the limits of my knowledge concerning the language. No offence but all german words seem to sound alike.
Must suck to hear things like that.
Now Japanese or Russian... everything sounds the same. Spanish, too.
Originally posted by Sorgo
Same effect? Why the hell would Sidious want to dominate Mace in front of Anakin? He wanted to make the Jedi look bad. Palpatine could have easily parried forward, considering he apparently uses speed into his Lightsaber style. Don't hand me that shit that he couldn't prop his ass forward. And his arm was fully extended, but he could have easily jabbed him using his shoulders. C'mon now.
Did you miss the part where I said he could have thrown away his weapon right before the moment Anakin entered the room ? Why should he fake a fight risking his life on serveral occassions instead of dominating the fight and than simply make-it-look-like-he-had-lost-it-playing-weak-old-man for Anakin ?
And watch that fight again. He was trying to use his shoulders. That was where Mace did a step aside and pushed the saber away.
Mace couldn't do that anyways, Training match or not. He is a Jedi and he has to hold back some factors of the Form so it does not take over it, being that it requires Dark energy. So maybe he did try to go all out under essential circumstance of his Form.
He can use the form to full extent when he wants / has to kill somebody which is of course not the case in a training match. When he uses the form to it's full extend it always ends with people lying dead on the ground...
Either way, Both Dooku and Mace died to both "Inferior" Opponents.It doesn't matter if Dooku didn't go all out or if Mace didn't expect it, either way they both fell to someone who was apparently "Inferior" to them. So i suppose that doesn't matter, right?
And what do you want to tell me with that statement ?
Did you miss the part where I said he could have thrown away his weapon right before the moment Anakin entered the room ? Why should he fake a fight risking his life on serveral occassions instead of dominating the fight and than simply make-it-look-like-he-had-lost-it-playing-weak-old-man for Anakin ?
And watch that fight again. He was trying to use his shoulders. That was where Mace did a step aside and pushed the saber away.
He wasn't trying to use his shoulders. He stayed in one position merely walking towards Windu. He could have easily parried himself forward really fast.
He can use the form to full extent when he wants / has to kill somebody which is of course not the case in a training match. When he uses the form to it's full extend it always ends with people lying dead on the ground...
He doesn't fully use the form. That would require him giving into his emotions and most likely turning dark sided. He has to control his emotions while using it, which probably has some restrictions.
And what do you want to tell me with that statement ?
If you haven't figured it out yourself, you don't deserve to know! 😛
Well, considering Duku is on the loosing side of the overall battle, I would say Windu, that is if Duku stayed in the arena after the clones attacked. If not and it were Windu and not Ani and Obi Wan then it would posibly be Duku, because Duku is good, but Windu is a tad bit better. In the clone wars, Duku was training with Grevious and was able to take his fighting style, as was Windu, and Im giving Grevious the benefit of the doubt in saying that he probably went just as easy on Windu as he did on Duku.