Dooku would rip Mace apart, IMO.
"BUT SORGO, IT SAYS IN THE DATABANK THAT YODA AND MACE ARE ON PAR AND YODA ALREADY RAPED DOOKU!"
- Yoda never raped Dooku, he merely got the better of their fight. He sure as hell didn't win because Dooku didn't die to Yoda.
- It says in the Databank that they are on par. Why do people automatically assume that this "On par" shit is based on their Force powers or Lightsaber skills? It could just mean their rank in the Order is on Par so quit using that shit.
- Dooku has defeated Mace once.
"BUT SORGO, MACE HAS GAINED HAXX0R EXPERIENCE SINCE THEN!"
- And Dooku didn't? C'mon now.
- Not to mention Dooku is now on the Dark side and probably more powerful than he was as a Jedi. Dooku can probably enlist his full self into his form now that he is a Sith Lord and no longer has to hold back his emotions or anger in his fighting.
- Mace Windu's form requires you to place Dark emotions into all of your strikes and blows with the Lightsaber. With Mace being a Jedi, i can imagine it would be hard for him to enter his full potential into his Lightsaber combat due to this feature within his Form.
- Dooku has an extra twenty to thirty years of Experience with Wars, Lightsabers, and the Force.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
What war did Dooku ever fight in Sorgo?
I have seen pictures of Dooku and Jinn fighting some sort of trooper, but probably fan related. I know he fought in Geonosis and as a topping Swordsman of the Jedi Order, i am sure they sent him to fight some wars. But who knows.
Originally posted by Sorgo
Even so, Wars don't make someones Lightsaber TO Lightsaber combat good. I never saw Mace fight anyone with a Lightsaber during a war.
Mace fought Jango. He also fought GG. Sidious, though techniqally the war was over by then. Mace fought Asajj I believe. Mace fought Sora. Hundreds of droids on Dantooine. Many droid star fighters on Coruscant. All destroyed with a lightsaber. All during a war.
Yep. Thats nobody.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Mace fought Jango. He also fought GG. Sidious, though techniqally the war was over by then. Mace fought Asajj I believe. Mace fought Sora. Hundreds of droids on Dantooine. Many droid star fighters on Coruscant. All destroyed with a lightsaber. All during a war.Yep. Thats nobody.
Jango never had a Lightsaber, and i ment Lightsaber to Lightsaber combat.
He didn't fight GG saber to saber he just choked his lungs out. Mace did not fight Asajj. Yes, he fought a horde of droids and some starships, but that isn't Lightsaber to Lightsaber.
Dooku fought Mace, Kenobi, Anakin, Asajj, and Grievous. I know he fought some Clone troopers in TCD.
Originally posted by Sorgo
He didn't fight GG saber to saber he just choked his lungs out. Mace did not fight Asajj. Yes, he fought a horde of droids and some starships, but that isn't Lightsaber to Lightsaber.
Mace fought Asajj and Sora Bulq (who had joined Dooku) on Ruul (both only hardly managed to escape) and he fought with GG saber to saber on top of a train (beginning of the Battle of Coruscant). And he did fight Depa Billaba who was the only other Vaapad master and - despite of that fact - feared Windu.
Dooku fought Mace, Kenobi, Anakin, Asajj, and Grievous. I know he fought some Clone troopers in TCD.
Well...with Mace as an exception (and this was before TPM and considering the nature of Vaapad and the fact that this was a training I don't think Mace gave Dooku his best) none of that people was close to be a match for Dooku...
Hell...he did pull Asajj's lightsabers out of her hands and simply destroyed them and Asajj was said to be a good match for Anakin. Yet Anakin was very similar compared to Kenobi and Kenobi was able to defeat GG. So in "real" combat Dooku only faced inferior opponents except Yoda and - according to the AotC script - Yoda pretty much outclassed him.
Dooku might be able to defeat Mace in a lightsaber fight but he wouldn't "rip him apart".
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Mace fought Asajj and Sora Bulq (who had joined Dooku) on Ruul (both only hardly managed to escape) and he fought with GG saber to saber on top of a train (beginning of the Battle of Coruscant). And he did fight Depa Billaba who was the only other Vaapad master and - despite of that fact - feared Windu.Well...with Mace as an exception (and this was before TPM and considering the nature of Vaapad and the fact that this was a training I don't think Mace gave Dooku his best) none of that people was close to be a match for Dooku...
Hell...he did pull Asajj's lightsabers out of her hands and simply destroyed them and Asajj was said to be a good match for Anakin. Yet Anakin was very similar compared to Kenobi and Kenobi was able to defeat GG. So in "real" combat Dooku only faced inferior opponents except Yoda and - according to the AotC script - Yoda pretty much outclassed him.
Dooku might be able to defeat Mace in a lightsaber fight but he wouldn't "rip him apart".
Think about it this way, if it was a training match and Mace didn't give his best, what makes you think that wasn't mutual with him and Dooku? Maybe Dooku didn't give his best either but still won over Windu.
Dooku fought inferior opponents? Hmm.... He was able to smash a Jedi Master under a platform and completly outclass him when it came to Lightsaber combat. He "defeated" Asajj, who was unable to conquer Dooku, nor kill him. Dooku slashed Anakin's arm off and was able to slice Kenobi's arm and leg. Dooku also held his own against Yoda. Yoda was grunting and yelling and Dooku had struggle on his face. I'd say the fight was fairly even, but probably leans towards Yoda due to the fact that Dooku basically ran away, Death Star plans or whether he was defeated, he still ran.
Let's see, Mace "Apparently" defeated Sidious, which cannot be 100% confirmed, due to conspiracy that Sidious faked the fight. Palpatine did have his Saber to Mace's chest, but apparently he could not reach further or walk forward. But he could flip a couple times, but he is unable to walk forward? Hmm...
Mace and Grievous fought and Mace was unable to kill Grievous. Mace fought Asajj, Sora and Depa, but was unable to kill or dismember any of them.
Originally posted by Sorgo
[B]Think about it this way, if it was a training match and Mace didn't give his best, what makes you think that wasn't mutual with him and Dooku? Maybe Dooku didn't give his best either but still won over Windu.
You know that Vaapad can only hardly be controlled while Makashi is a style that uses precission. Dooku can unleash anything he has without risking Mace getting injured but Mace can't do the same because there will always be the risk that Vaapad starts controlling him instead him controlling Vaapad. Would you use that style to the full extend against somebody you won't hurt ?
Dooku fought inferior opponents? Hmm.... He was able to smash a Jedi Master under a platform and completly outclass him when it came to Lightsaber combat. He "defeated" Asajj, who was unable to conquer Dooku, nor kill him. Dooku slashed Anakin's arm off and was able to slice Kenobi's arm and leg.
As I said...inferior opponents. They were nowhere near Dooku's level but they were nowhere near Mace's level either. Asajj, Anakin and Kenobi are all pretty much on the same level and that "level" is lightyears away from people like Dooku, Yoda and Mace - so they are inferior.
Dooku also held his own against Yoda. Yoda was grunting and yelling and Dooku had struggle on his face. I'd say the fight was fairly even, but probably leans towards Yoda due to the fact that Dooku basically ran away, Death Star plans or whether he was defeated, he still ran.
Yes. Yoda was "yelling" but that were battle cries and no signs of exhaustion. The AotC script pretty much makes clear that Dooku was near getting defeated after 30 seconds against Yoda (OK...Dooku had to fight Obi-Wan and Anakin before but I don't think this did cost him much power).
Let's see, Mace "Apparently" defeated Sidious, which cannot be 100% confirmed, due to conspiracy that Sidious faked the fight. Palpatine did have his Saber to Mace's chest, but apparently he could not reach further or walk forward. But he could flip a couple times, but he is unable to walk forward? Hmm...
Oh please...not this again. Palpatine did have the saber pointed on Mace chest and he walked forward but Mace walked backwards and at the end pushed that saber away. And why the hell should Sidious "fake" that fight when there was no audience around to see that fake ? He could have simply dominate Mace and then throw his saber away shortly before Anakin would have entered the room - same effect and less risking his life.
Mace and Grievous fought and Mace was unable to kill Grievous. Mace fought Asajj, Sora and Depa, but was unable to kill or dismember any of them.
Grievous, Asajj and Sora simply ran away. What should Mace do ? Throw a lightsaber in their backs ? And he didn't even try to kill Depa because he didn't want to hurt her. Well...he got a lightsaber through his abdomen and still walked out alive being the "winner".
And still Dooku wouldn't defeat him easily - if indeed.